Justin Bieber smoking drugs on leased GIV.
I've just been reading about Justin Bieber and his entourage smoking so much pot on a flight into Teterboro that the pilots had to wear oxygen masks to prevent them from inhaling the smoke. The FA had to stay in the cockpit because the abuse from the passengers became too much to handle. Surely all this, especially the pot smoking, is enough to justify an immediate diversion. Apparently the captain asked them several times to stop smoking the drugs without result. I know I would not have continued the flight under those circumstances.
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Justin Bieber smoking drugs on leased GIV.
Yet another reason to hate that girly little ****
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Abnormal procedures checklist:
(Rainbow colored) Smoke in cabin: 1. Oxygen masks - donned 2. Cabin pressure - set to 20,000 ft. 3. Immediate descent and diversion to suitable landing airport. 4. Cabin (forcibly) evacuated. |
They should have radioed ahead and request the feds make an appearance on arrival "for a spot check"....
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DC9
Sadly money talks :{ I hope he gets put away for 9 months on his assault and drug charges might make him realise that he is a mere mortal and a vastly overpaid **** with minimal talent who is the product of great marketing to a mass of silly schoolgirls. it does highlight the unique pressures the Captain of a private jet can be under. If this had been PAX on a commercial aircraft the police would have been waiting on landing. The Captain was remiss in not radioing ahead for a police presence on landing. MONEY TALKS Pace |
Whatever the 'musical' talents of the passengers, if enough pot had been smoked they would have been unable to realise just how silly they were being whilst within a small aluminium tube whizzing through the sky 10miles above the earth. I suppose that like alcohol, Rx etc once someone's gone too far, it's too late to reason and if it's a group, forget it. I wonder if the pilots radioed ahead for police intervention when landed, or did they decide for commercial reasons to let it slide ?
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Just a thought....
If they have to allow smoking (of all types), how do they get rid of the stink before the next charter.. or do you have to have smoking and non smoking aircraft ?? |
If i was PIC i would have done what 340drvr would have done but added to that i would have phoned the Feds and the Press.
It maybe the case that money talks, but putting the life's of all on board at rick is not worth any amount of money. Fats |
I have friends who tour with him and I believe every word of this. As long as he makes money, he will be allowed to carry on. When the income stream falters, he will be left to crash and burn. Hopefully not literally.
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Didn't this flight come from Canada and weren't US CBP agents there to meet the plane at KTEB upon arrival? I believe there was some sort of associated hours long delay at KTEB due to the pot.
Frankly couldn't care less but sure hope this incident didn't inconvenience anyone else that day. Back in my jet charter days I was taking some Hollywood types to Hawaii one day but they were thoughtful enough to ask: "Dude...is it cool if we smoke some weed?" or some such thing. I said "not cool" and that was that. |
News is saying they put dogs and police onboard, but nothing was found other than empty packaging which may have contained the weed.
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Forgive me to play the devil's advocate here, but let's assume the following for one second:
you don't have a spoiled kid like this on board but somebody you really admire and look up to. Now she or he does something that you don't like to see at all but is still short of something that you absolutely must report to the authorities. Wouldn't you look the other way in this case and say: 'Hey, let's cut her / him some slack'? I'm not ratting on my passengers and what they do or talk about is not my business - as long as not doing something about it wouldn't bring me and my crew in trouble or was grossly unethical for other reasons. |
2. Cabin pressure - set to 20,000 ft.
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I'm not ratting on my passengers and what they do or talk about is not my business - as long as not doing something about it wouldn't bring me and my crew in trouble or was grossly unethical for other reasons. |
i would have phoned the Feds and the Press. |
He needs to go to jail. I wouldn't wish his situation on my worst enemy as it's unsustainable. The only unknown is the seriousness of the drop when it comes.
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As far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they want in the back as long as they don't jeopardise the safety of the aircraft and crew. If you have to use oxygen masks to keep you from getting intoxicated this is obviously a serious safety concern and in this case for me an immediate diversion would have been the only outcome. I would rather explain why I diverted than why there is traces of drugs in my system and risk losing my license.
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From drinking and driving to smoking and flying, all in the same month, this guy really takes the cake. No respect at all for the crew, nor for safety.
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I would rather explain why I diverted than why there is traces of drugs in my system and risk losing my license. |
dallas
I wouldn't wish his situation on my worst enemy pace |
Why are all you pilots so opposed to smoking on the flight? My understanding is that it used to be very commonplace and that all the airplanes are still designed to be able to handle smoke through their air systems, even if the intent is probably tobacco smoke.
Cannabis popularity has increased dramatically over the last couple decades. Support for legalization has reached over 50% for the first time ever according to reputable nationwide polls. Plus, lots of people are prescribed it by their doctors now. When flying private is so expensive, and when another perk is that you don't go through normal airport security, I find it hard to believe that there haven't ALWAYS been customers going back decades that saw illicit drug use at altitude as being part of the deal. Yeah, Justin Bieber is easy to hate, but I find it hard to believe that if you're piloting chartered Gulfstreams you haven't been flying around your fair share of passengers doing coke in the aft lav, if not openly at the conference table. Plus, the idea that the pilots would become intoxicated inhaling secondhand smoke is laughable. Isn't the whole volume of cabin air changed out with fresh air every couple minutes? |
Originally Posted by tuna hp
(Post 8311183)
Cannabis popularity has increased dramatically over the last couple decades. Support for legalization has reached over 50% for the first time ever according to reputable nationwide polls. Plus, lots of people are prescribed it by their doctors now.
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Why are all you pilots so opposed to smoking on the flight? My understanding is that it used to be very commonplace and that all the airplanes are still designed to be able to handle smoke through their air systems, even if the intent is probably tobacco smoke. But the deal is, if you own the plane, it's yours to smoke in. Otherwise, it's part of the deal that you don't unless you have a negotiated as part of the price. After all, who wants to step off an aircraft smelling like they've been sitting in an ashtray? And then we have to consider the Flight Attendant. She should not have to breathe their smoke. Then there's the behaviour aspect to consider. The FA's are on board to look after you. They are on your side. People with good manners appreciate that. Therefore, the last thing you do is abuse them. That is stepping over the line. Fortunately, the air charter world is so small that this lovely little diva will have charter rates that reflect his behaviour. However, I don't think we won't have to put up with him for too long. At 19 he's already come off the rails. My money is a on stint or two in jail (he will get a sore bottom, won't he) followed by either a Winehouse or traditional car crash ending. I'll have to get a price on his demise. There would be something satisfying making a few quid on him popping his clogs. PM |
I recall the US Army did a study where they pumped heavy concentrations of second hand marijuana smoke into a closed room. It took about 6 hours of exposure for the subjects to test positive for cannibis.
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Next why not let pilots drink a screwdrive an hour and see if it affects BA? Who knows what second hand marijuana does to pilots breathing it?
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What if you had an 8hr flight and now are flying a to minimums a nonprecision approach after being at high cabin altitude?
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Plus, the idea that the pilots would become intoxicated inhaling secondhand smoke is laughable. Isn't the whole volume of cabin air changed out with fresh air every couple minutes? |
We have very clear rules with alcohol but you can,t drink second hand alcohol.
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But you can suffer from the effects of second hand alcohol, namely disruptive passengers, who in a private jet might feel they have a certain right to do as they please.
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My way of dealing with drunk/disruptive passengers -
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smoking pot
I very close friend had the Rolling Stones on a flight from Miami to LA and when it was noticed that pot smoking was going on, he landed in Houston advising the passengers it was the end of the road.
Pilots having this in their blood is definitely irresponsible and say good buy to insurance when you run off the runway on arrival. A conversation followed with MJ and the Captain which ended in a very professional apology by MJ and assurances that this activity would no longer take place. The Captain submitted a plan and they continued to LA. At the end of the flight there was a final apology by MJ for the hassle and appreciation that the captain got them to LA . Its not how you behave, its how you deal with it when confronted by others for an explanation. That's when you find out their attitude. |
I agree he needs jail.
You can imagine all the guys with tattooed foreheads drawing lots in prison to 'share' his cell, if only for his inaugural performance! Might even make it to YouTube. He's got a world of grief coming, but I agree with the cynic above that states it'll be when the income stream dries up . . . |
There are times I thank my lucky stars I don't fly corporate. This is one of them.
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Umm...this type of flying is not "corporate". This would be "charter". There's quite a difference.
Lumping all biz-jets into one category is a bit ignorant. |
Thanks for missing my point. By a mile.
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tuna hp Why are all you pilots so opposed to smoking on the flight? My understanding is that it used to be very commonplace and that all the airplanes are still designed to be able to handle smoke through their air systems, even if the intent is probably tobacco smoke. I've often been sitting in first or business up front and can tell when they're lighting up in the cockpit. I'm not a smoker so maybe I'm more sensitive to it. A lot of crews still do it. As for smoking in a chartered aircraft. If the owner doesn't want it it's because he doesn't want his plane smelling badly. It's very hard to get the smell out of an interior. An airline cockpit is not such a big deal because it's less likely to have so much plush carpeting and upholstery (not counting Airbus). flyboyike There are times I thank my lucky stars I don't fly corporate. This is one of them. Thanks for missing my point. By a mile. Blanket statements like that are always going to invite some backlash. A lot of good corporate flying jobs also do occasional charters to offset the costs for the owners, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Even the worst charter jobs (which some guys are forced to take between the good jobs) are very rewarding in many ways and are usually still better than the worst airline jobs. There is no sure thing in this business, some pilots have had a lot more luck in their career than others. There is much that is out of our control. |
also do occasional charters to offset the costs for the owners CP |
Originally Posted by llifeafteraviation
I'm not sure what your point was...I'm guessing you have never had a good corporate flying job because if you had you wouldn't be saying that.
Blanket statements like that are always going to invite some backlash. As for backlash, hell..., 'round these parts you can say the sky is blue and there'll still be backlash, so.... |
Off topic but that calculation almost never add up for the aircraft owner. To the other poster....no one wants a tool for a pilot anyway....stick to the airlines. Why would you even be browsing this section anyway? |
To the other poster....no one wants a tool for a pilot anyway....stick to the airlines. Why would you even be browsing this section anyway? |
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