Ghost pilots
 

http://www.havarikommissionen.dk/~/m..._2012_155.ashx

Been reading this Report regarding a Lear crash in Denmark recently. Amazed that we in Europe see "Ghost Pilots" who disregard rules & regs to such a degree.

In short the pilot thought to be a mexican pilot was in fact a internationally wanted Iranian without a pilot license. He held two false US licenses and flew the Lear as single pilot!

Ran out of fuel and crash on short approach having neglected to switch to another fuel tank with fuel...

The Lear's airworthiness certificate expired 2005!


Where is aviation heading when this is still possible?

How often had FBOs seen him off single pilot? I know it's "not their job" but you'd have thought that someone, in all those years...

But far more importantly this represents an appalling breach of Security. Here are the rest of us uniformed licenced checked to the limit pilots flying fully accredited airliners being searched, groped, fingered, touched up and turned over on a daily basis by the "security" staff, our lives are regulated by officious and largely useless paranoid legislation, we are locked into our cockpits and generally treated like potential criminals all day long and here is an unlicenced IRANIAN illegally flying an unlicenced plane for YEARS single pilot and "no one has noticed".

Is it me or is this a horrific failing in view of the security situation we are all (all but unlicenced Iranians apparently) subjected to? It gives me no faith whatsoever in the usefulness of "security" if someone with such a blatantly hazardous profile gets away with this for so long.

Frankly I'm staggered this hasn't caused an international uproar. But perhaps, actually, no one outside the shareholders of the "security" industry really cares? Least of all our slippery teflon coated politicos.

:ugh:

Already being discussed here......

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...n-denmark.html

OK, but I was debating the fake licenses and airworthiness issues. Not the crash itself...

More important OMHO...

Frightening, A319. Out of interest, is the Lear a mandatory two pilot a/c flown privately?

Not entirely something new. I once knew a flying instructor and owner of a flying club who lost his medical certificate due to heart problems but carried on flying and instructing.

Not my area (I'm Airbus), but this specific a/c was two pilot ops. The pax was first thought to be a co pilot but was later identified as pax.

BTW: The fuel tank he neglected to switch over to, only contained 160L... :=

Its you. Or have you seen all car drivers checked before driving if they are properly licensed?

No its not since it was not airworthy and not on any reg. ;)

If properly registrated and operated in Germany it requires 2 guys licensed and rated.

No, but in a pub you could expect a barman to remove the keys of a driver who is clearly drunk.

Also, we all know we have to carry our licence (amongst other things) and I have had it checked several times a year (yes - maybe I just have one of those faces .... :rolleyes:) - this happens particularly when operating into the US and in some of the smaller French fields (not a proper SAFA but just as a security check)

If said driver is arrested for DUI (which is sort of a bad example since one can usually see when someone is real drunk, apart from seing who is a licence holder and who isnt) will the landlord get a ticket? Or should rather all other drivers be required to do an alcohol test before driving?

I would like to maintain the status of "innocent until proven guilty".

Ag bis mentioned the "FBO" - to the best of my knowledge there is no FBO in Schönhagen where the airplane was based. And if an FBO would like to see my licence I´d be reluctant to show it to them. Not their business. Period.

What I want to say is:

beware what you wish for.

1984 is way beyond us and still people want more stringent rules, more observation/oversight etcetc. Scary.

Yes we know and we do (I hope !) OTOH, does that or any other reg keep the bad boys away ?

Just a question to the moderators: Why has this thread been moved to "Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc."?
Do you really think that only our segment of the market has pilots with fake paperwork?

I recently finished some freelance flying with a British company. At no point did they ever ask to see my licence or medical.

My licence and medical were valid throughout the contract because I am diligent and careful, but nevertheless I was surprised that they never even bothered to check.

I happen to know that one of the other contractors who still flies for them does not have a medical, nor is even rated on the class.

Donnu how that is handled in the UK, but if I lend my car I have to check if the person has a valid licence. If an accident happens and the drivers got no licence, sh.it hits the fan for me as an owner...

I take it was not commercial ops you did ?

If you know this as a FACT and did nothing about it then you are as bad as he/she is IMO.

No there is very unlikely to be any criminal charges for the third party - but everyone has to base their actions on their own ethics / morals.

If you (as an FBO - or anyone else who may be aware) see a single pilot operating a multi-pilot type, then maybe you would consider what the consequences of just a pilot flying your family or taking their jet over the house of your family.

If I saw it and was certain this was happening then I would certainly make it known to the tower / authorities to prevent them getting airborne.

Having passed through 4 UK commercial operators, I had ALL my documents scrutinised before I was able to operate.

Same procedure here. And when I freelance for a noncom ops I sent them my stuff up front. Cause I could overlook sumthin too...and I have no desire to get caught trousers down.

If you are for real, perhaps you need to question your own morality. That needs to be reported.

500 Above

Well said sir, I couldn't agree more.............:D

I see the learjet performed 12 flights before the accident and no one said anything.