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HermanTheGerman 21st Sep 2012 07:23

D-CMMM down in Denmark
 
Hi,
several videos of this aircraft on youtube- looking like the owner/pilot was flying a FAR 25 aircraft single hand. Can somebody enlighten us if that was legal?
wishing a quick and full recovery to the injured persons on board.

flydive1 21st Sep 2012 09:10

For what I read there were 2 pilots on board.

EDMJ 21st Sep 2012 09:54

According to Danish media

- the second person on the aircraft has described himself as being a passenger only,
- the local police has issued a warrant for arrest against the pilot for "having flown the aircraft without the necessary licences/skills", and for alleged fraud in connection with fuel payment on a previous visit (presumably to Rønne as well).

boeing_eng 24th Sep 2012 12:32

Preliminary report here.......scary stuff! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://havarikommissionen.instant.co...oreloebig.ashx

Newforest2 24th Sep 2012 13:41

Looks as though it landed in a crop 'circle'.

transilvana 24th Sep 2012 13:46

RODEO AIR??

No pilot license, no second pilot, no airworthiness certificate, no fuel, THIS GUY HAS A BIG PROBLEM!!!

cldrvr 24th Sep 2012 14:09

At least he was a good neighbour, no issues with noise abatement. You gotta compliment the guy on that one at least.

jr of dallas 24th Sep 2012 14:32

Germans love their gliders !:}

boeing_eng 24th Sep 2012 14:36

This Lear was in a Museum at Altenrhein in Switzerland for some time (so a few eyebrows were raised when it appeared in the skies again last year!)

Looks like it definitely should have stayed on the ground!:=

oy05 24th Sep 2012 15:26

Maybe a little more to this story:
En pilot for lidt i flystyrt på Bornholm
Google translation of the story:
It goes slowly forward with the investigation of the crash on Saturday near the airport in the Ronne Bornholm.

Police have at Rigshospitalet questioned the Polish man who was on the plane, and he explained that he was only passenger on the flight in Learjet 24D aircraft.

"He has not had any pilot-related function onboard," says Henrik Schou from the Investigation Division of Bornholm Police to P4 Bornholm.

Type of aircraft requires two pilots

Accident Investigation Board, investigating the crash, has previously stated that aircraft type should have two pilots on board. Now, the Commission shall assess whether to take criminal charges against the pilot.

Bornholm Police through Wednesday wreckage with drug dogs in a hangar in Bornholm Airport.

"We have just not found anything. But we are not finished with the search," says Henrik Schou to P4 Bornholm.

The pilot, a 37-year-old Mexican, can only be questioned later. He was severely injured and has been kept in an artificial coma at Rigshospitalet

His dudeness 24th Sep 2012 17:30


Germans love their gliders !
Scratch that, the guy was a mexican....

KBPsen 24th Sep 2012 18:14


the guy was a mexican....
Possibly. It seems he has been using more than one name, one of them sounding more German than Mexican. I don't think his identity has been fully established.

FLEXJET 24th Sep 2012 19:13

This Lear 24 was also used for testing according to some web sites.
Owner of the company involved and pilot named Leonardo Ruiz:
World Bioenergy 2012 Matchmaking

Take-off and low-pass:

Berlin-Dresden in 20 minutes:

PURPLE PITOT 24th Sep 2012 20:17

Enough evidence for a prosecution there! Scary.

CEQforever 24th Sep 2012 20:30

No crew license and no airworthiness certificate!!?? And all this in the middle of Europe!!??

Ok no more jokes about the Congo from now on......:p :ok:

Tu.114 24th Sep 2012 20:32

Here is the preliminary report of the Danish Havarikommissionen.

http://havarikommissionen.instant.cohaesio.net/~/media/Files/Havarikommissionen/Havarirapporter/Luftfart%202012/HCLJ510_2012_155%20foreloebig.ashx

Seems that there is plenty more grounds for prosecution coming up: the registration appears to have been revoked in 2009 and the last CoA expired in early 2005 already.

Somehow, I have the gut feeling that there is a rather long story to this accident.

transilvana 24th Sep 2012 21:13


Ok no more jokes about the Congo from now on......
And in the middle of lovely and perfect Germany??? wauuuuu, LBA is going to love this one, and we will love the jokes on them for years to come

Doodlebug 24th Sep 2012 21:16

We get into a froth about having our EFBs and FMSs updated, agonise over loadsheets calculated to the last elusive gramme, worry about performance-issues, terrorise our poor girls so as to not have any loose items in the cabin or the lavatorys, check, re-check and re-re-check all documentation, licenses, certificates and insurances, worry about cabotage issues, religiously keep the HIL legal, etc, and so forth ad nauseum... and these clowns apparently fling themselves about the regulated-to-death skies of the Great European Project in their completely illegal little pocket-rocket for an entire THREE YEARS, unmolested by officialdom? Hang on, keep that slick little shyster alive, I'm inbound to ask him how the hell he did it! :eek:

zolfen 25th Sep 2012 04:05

D-CMMM
 
This Aircraft has been offered for commercial use weeks ago based on a frauded/counterfeit AOC!

His dudeness 25th Sep 2012 06:51


middle of lovely and perfect Germany
So you live in a parallel universe then?

Ever dealt with the LBA? Where Dumbo and Dontknow manage things?...



I'm inbound to ask him how the hell he did it!
Thats easy Doodlebug, you just have to do it. And for the regs, this is the proof that they don`t work.

The moment there is a SAFA check, they will catch you, but other than that? You`ll need to crah obviously.

The 'funny' thing is, this will result in even more rigourous bulls... enforced on the folks who already follow the regs.

Welcome to the socialist states of Europe, the 'light' soviet model.


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