Well, for the narrowest runway (relative to the width of the gear), the 747SP retirement landing at Rand, S Africa would take some beating.

There was a stiff crosswind which made it all the more impressive. Not overly long for a Jumbo either, at 1490m, with an elevation of 5500'.

http://www.skypark.org/images/747Rand2.jpg

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Well you haven't been around long enough - 7x is an astonishing aircraft.

Saw this on Youtube. C501 into KCDK, 2355ft/718m.



And the takeoff:

I have seen a Challenger 600 operating in and out of Locarno (LSZL) a lot of times.

Runway length 2625 ft.
LDA 26 2461 ft
LDA 08 2198 ft

JetPhotos.Net Photo » HB-IKS (CN: 5042) Air Charter AG Canadair CL-600-2B16 Challenger 601-3A by Pierre.


The BS is on your side.
1000 lbs is 1/4 of a full tank in a cj3 and 1/3 of a full tank in a CJ1.
I am not that stupit to put any data in here that I didn´t have checked twice.
Mimimum Fuel for this flight according EU Ops is 800 lbs. That includes 30 min final reserve at 3000 ft above alternate, alternate fuel and 5% contigency. The Flight is 10 nm only and 3 Alternates within 20 NM and another 4 within 36 NM.

The Field lenght has been calculated with Cessnas CPCalc, the performance calculator made by cessna.

The CJ3 is corporate OPS, the CJ1 was commercial.
For Ferry flights we don´t have to add any factor to the afm performance data. The german CAA and also EASA is happy with it as long as there are no Passengers on Board.

You are asuming a lot of things you don´t know nothing about.
It was for Jet maintenance.
As I said in my first post, Ganderkesee is the head office of Atlas Air Service. the biggest Cessna dealer in germany.
For a very long time their only maintenance facility has been at this short airfield. Now they have a workshop at Bremen as well. But sometimes when Bremen is full, you have any Problems that you can´t wait Bremen to accept you, we still have to go to Ganderkesee.

You are calling Pilots you don´t know Morons. Just for the reason that you don´t have any clue about the performance of this lovely little Jets and you don´t understand this kind of operation.

As long as the AFM says it is save to go, it is Ok for me. I will add my personal Factors and the insurance is happy with it.
I operate from a Homebase with 3200 ft runway, VFR, with 2 different Jets and 2 different turboprops. 24 hous a day, 7 days a week. I respect the Airlaw and I know where my limits are.
And by the way, I am doing this for 26 years now.

It is your choice to avoid this, but don´t tell me what to do or not to do.

Inbalance

Imbalance -

Ok, tell me the name of the Jet Maintenance facility that works on CJs at that 2700 ft airport. A simple link to their website would be fine.

He did tell you........ As I said in my first post, Ganderkesee is the head office of Atlas Air Service. the biggest Cessna dealer in germany.

Atlas Air Service: Ganderkesee

ICAO Code: EDWQ ATC Fax: +49 4222 2011 Runway: 836m / 2740ft (Hard)

As your claim to aviation fame is that you fly a single pilot Cessna Jet, you appear to know very little about the aircraft :confused::confused:

Mutt

Kanetoads, why don't you go back to your Flightsim and let the real pilots get on with a great thread here. Put the shovel down and stop licking that toad.

As always a decent thread gets spoiled by a few 12 year old playstation pilots.

To put some cream on the cake, Atlas has sold more Citations than any other dealer in Europe and maybe the world. The name to know was Michael Laux (now retired)

"I" (aka my bosses) bought 2 Citations there. One had to go to Ganderkesee for title change, new callsign and some minor mx stuff. No issue at all. (since we did that empty)

Kanetoad isa troll and shouldn´t be fed any more. Most likely he is the reincarnation of SSG, as Mutt pointed out in another thread.

He feels superior to any other human being in aviation and therefore should be addressed as 'Skygod' - or not at all.

BTW, single pilot ops in a CJ/2/3 is not an issue, quite easy actually. Thats why it is approved by authorities all over the world.

C550 into Turkey Creek in the north of Western Australia , dirt strip . I remember looking back at the town as we departed , covered the place in red dust ( sorry about that) . Also did El questro in the nortern territory in a Beechjet , the supplied airport info said it was longer and wider than it actually was . that was scary . Loose shale as a surface which we didnt know about until it was too late . Learnt some good lesson there .

I recall a busjet (early model Citation possibly) operating out of Elstree EGTR on more than one occasion - c.650m and with a reasonable slope to boot.

Bluebeard
 

Post #5 :ok:

Just to show the Performance of a CJ3 to the flightsimmers here, I found some videos I made earlier this year.

First one is a normal take off. 2 Passengers 1/2 Tanks. Note that the Runway lights are 40 Meters apart. After 8 Lights, 320 Meter, the Aircraft is airborne:



Normal Landing, Max Landing weight. Landing Roll is 800 Meters, or 700 Meter to be correct, because I touched 100 Meters behind the Threshold. I didn´t press on the Brakes to hard, because it wasn´t nessesary. Total Runwaylenght was 1200 Meters. Airport Mönchengladbach (EDLN)


Inbalance

Good account here of landing a Victor K1 at Catterick (3,300' - c 1,000m) for disposal at the then RAF Fire School:

Final flight - XA939 - Tony Cunnane's Life and Times

For those unfamiliar with the type the AUW would have been around 115,000 lbs on landing - and no reverse thrust, but a pretty effective brake parachute.

I like the bit about the police closing the A1. There was also a Valiant at Catterick when I was there in 1965 which had been flown in when they were withdrawn.

I'd say this takes skills to beat
 

Not only is the landing distance pretty short but .........

Sorry, the above video is a known fake.

How about this video. Beats all posts so far. An IL-62 landing on grass...there is no paved runway.

So Atlas field is at sea level, no obstructions, big runway...mine is at 3500 ft, one way in, with a dog leg.....just sayin.

You must be a Moron to fly in there. You are taking your passengers at Risk !!!
What if .......
I am not shure what to think about you. Moron, Hero or just a Troll.
Come on, tell us your real name. Is it Orwille, Willbure or Chuck ?

Inbalance

Inbalance - In all honestly, it doesn't matter what you think. Not out of some existential apathetic philosophy, but because in my eyes, you don't rate.

Is this guy for real???... Lighten up dude, you will give yourself a heart attack

I agree...Inbalance you need to chill.

A Falcon 50 has used the 760m (2,490 ft) crosswind strip here (OXF/EGTK). Another Falcon 50 has been into Sywell with 1000m LDA.

Carrying the same pax, fuel for same min fuel reserves (NBAA IFR reserves) and all else being equal, best biz jets for landing performance (in order, and taking no account of thrust reversers) are:

Old Citation C550s
Citation Mustang
Falcon 50
A318 !!!!
Global 5000
GLEX
Hawker 700
Citation Sovereign
Lineage 1000
Gulfstream V/500/550
A319
Citation V/Ultra
Hawker 750/800/850/900
Dornier 328
Challenger 300
EMB Legacy
BBJ1 !!!
Falcon 7x
Citation CJ4

Those big jets have nice big carbon brakes, Hawkers have barn-door type flaps and lift dump and ancient bullet-proof maxaret brakes.

Worse jets for landing performance on above basis are:

Gulfstream IV
Premier IIA
Lear 60
Premier IA
Beechjet / Hawker 400
Excel / XLS
Challenger 601
Citation X
Falcon 2000
Gulfstream 450

On a 'WET' runway, an Airbus A318 requires 1,750ft less runway than a Lear 60 when at lowest weights!!!

Not quite in a jet but I've always been proud to say that I learnt to fly on 416m X 9m. Soloed before 10hrs too. ;) I now fly out of 4000m X 60m. :zzz: Nothing like landing on the numbers and then realising you've 3km to taxi. :}

jetprop
 

Not quite in a jet but I've always been proud to say that I learnt to fly on 416m X 9m. Soloed before 10hrs too. I now fly out of 4000m X 60m. Nothing like landing on the numbers and then realising you've 3km to taxi.

I recognise those numbers...eicn... never been a jet in there, but I hear a skyvan did it...:D

TNCS Saba, Neth.Antilles, 396m...
 

396m! TNCS, Saba on the Netherlands upper Antilles, Caribbean. Did a couple of landings here, real short and next to a cliff, really impressive! My landings were easy with a Lynx helicopter :cool: , but Winair executes regular flights with a DCH-6 Twin Otter.

SBJR - Jacarepagua
 

Landing with the CJ3, runway has 900m. Stopping distance was around 500/550m and we had 4 pax on board, if I remember correctly

Skip to 06:30 to by-pass my bad video editing skills ;)

Citation CJ3 @ SBJR - YouTube

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That's the one hum. :ok:

@ksjc: Take a look at post nr. 17 ;-)

Thats a good one, only half of the Runway used !
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Landing regularly in LHNY with a CJ1+, runway is 1000m, at night and wet, you have to watch out!

Cecco

OXF ATC

Arrived at Luton last night following an Atlantic crossing in one of the aircraft you mention as the worst landing performance.

With 7000 pounds (2 hours) of fuel remaining, our unfactored (part 91/Dry) landing distance required was 2700 ft....

8 degrees C, and 8 knots of wind from 80 degrees off rwy heading.

Oh, there's plenty of jets that can get into a 2700 ft field...it's just been my experience that most pilots pass them up, or the boss says it's a no go.

Evidence of single pilot captains, being allowed to squeeze into a tight runway with the boss in the back is not going to be forthcoming on this forum...certainly makes for good stories though. Welcome to the internet, where bull**** is king.

A citation used to live at Elstree. 600 Mtrs. They even installed a jet a1 pump to fill it up. I was there one evening trying to fly, there was an almighty noise and it crashed.

It tried to go round, decided it was a bad idea, and just stopped dead in the middle of the runway. The tires were burst and the wings bulging on top where the uc had pushed through and the tail cone was bent where it had hit the ground.

It was vp registered and rumoured to be public transport. I wandered over once it had all calmed down in a suit and they thought I was the caa which given their reaction was quite funny. Great flurry of paperwork. They looked very guilty. it took 12 hours to get a crane and remove it.

Short field. It works but watch out!

EDIT FOLLOWING PM

To clarify following a PM with the comment below. The a/c applied power to seek to arrest the decent as opposed to go around. The dents in the wings were merely my recolection of something that happend some 10 years ago, but happy to stand corrected. Lifting kit was bought in from Biggin to jack it up not crane it. ATC just said lifting kit so I assumed that they meant they craned it off. Finally rumours are just rumours and flying clubs bars all have a view. There was no desire to be inaccurate. I was about 100ft from it what it happened.

My only purpose in posting was to point out that the bravado of short field in a jet is all well and good, but it can go wrong.

jrudge
 

What you have written here is almost completely untrue. There was never the intention to go around. It was being flown by a pilot who was not as familiar with the aircraft as he should have been. It was fully fuelled at Cranfield, flown to Elstree (heavy), airbrakes extended close to the ground and it dropped onto the end of the runway causing serious damage. There was no wing damage (UC pushed up?) but the flaps did contact the runway and suffered damage. There was no crane, it was jacked up, new wheels fitted and towed off. It was privately operated, not public transport.
However you did get a few things right, it was at Elstree, they did install a Jet A1 pump, and you did have a suit on.
If you are going to relate a story do get the facts right.

160m if I recall

No vertical landings/take-offs but rolling vertical landings (RVLs) and 'normal' short take-offs :)

Nowadays, maybe a tad more required ;)

4,000ft is as short as I go in our Phenom. Some of you guys have a bigger set than I do :ok:

Hey Hung Start, why the jet into Turkey Creek?? I have driven through there twice in the last month and there's not much there! Who do you fly for? Sounds like you get to do some great trips! Cheers

@rustywings: there is a 400A stationed at our homebase (3323LDA & 3694ft TODA)

Even braver (IMO) are the dudes flying the 35A without T/Rs, also stationed there.
There is also 2 CL300´s, 3 560XLs and a handful of CJs at the field. Regurlar service by DO328 TPs...and they have been the only ones to make the headlines...one 328 was trashed follwoing a long landing. Also a C22 was unable to stop within the runway lately.

@jrudge: as you can see from above, it has nothing to do with the way your airplane is driven. If the numbers fit and one can fly them, it usually works fine.

the shortest runway
 

During the late 90,s i flew regular flts into EDLN in the BAe146-200 it was a Captain only landing and if wet some serious number crunching was required.ATR42 went in but i think the 146 was the largest to get in,runway length 3937ft with a raised autobahn just off the northern end

Hi guys, just an interested observer; the video posted by Broomstick Flier, the approach looks a bit low, I'm guessing this is deliberate to minimise landing distance?

The shortest for me is 1090m.
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...but it was in a BAe146. ;)