Have to agree on the amount of Dassault "pat on the back" comments here - its distasteful, everyone knows you should be honoured to fly one of their jets!

Appalling arrogance at Dassault which might now subside somewhat with a flagship product grounded. We can all hope. :ugh:

US FAA has already issued an emergency AD to stop use of all Falcon 7X;

Emergency AD: Dassault Aviation Model FALCON 7X airplanes

As far as I can tell there no such aircraft among the 10 7X registered in Switzerland...

You don't know what you are talking about.

Dassault requested EASA/FAA to issue the AD.

Yes!

What a load of BS:yuk:

LG

Hey Zeffy, here's a copy and paste regarding the process for AD issuance. It's the same language found at most all FAA/EASA member sites. It says that the government makes the determination...
When is an AD issued?

The FAA issues an AD addressing a product when we find that:

• An unsafe condition exists in a product; and,
• The condition is likely to exist or develop in other products of the same type design.

Airworthiness Directive - Issuance and Publication

Second, Were you there when Dassault discussed this "request" with the EASA? I sorta doubt it. So I doubt you know what you're talking about.

Third, Does a manufacturer EVER tell the FAA/EAASA what to do? (or is it always the Feds telling them/us what to do?)

Fourth, here's a link to the wall street journal article. It spells it out clearly.
UPDATE: EASA Grounds All Dassault Falcon 7X Executive Jets - WSJ.com

Now, the article does say it was issued at the "request" of Dassault. This reminds me of a time when I heard a student pilot announce that he was low on fuel 30 miles out over a large bay. The controller asked if he wanted to declare an emergency, the student said "no", and without a pause, the controller said "OK, I'll declare one for you"

So once again, do you really think that there was an option here? Could Dassault say "screw you guys" when faced with such a catastrophic system failure?

I will say that Dassault did the right thing. When faced with a situation where there would no doubt be an AD issued by EASA, they took the high ground, acted virtuous, and demanded the AD be issued.

It's the tactic we should all do when faced with "Write down this number, and call us after you land"

FR

@Atakacs

And there can't be as X is usually reserved for helicopters. I suspect that Captainprop put the Xs in not say that it was Swiss registered without revealing all detail about it.

@FrankR

According to the EASA AD, that is what happened

Frank, no, you are ( at least ) killing me:ugh:

http://www.ainonline.com/fileadmin/t...ort_Survey.pdf

Very interesting read!

921 completed the survey, so many......:*

According to this "so called survey", the GLEX guys/gals here won´t be very happy, eh?

I can assure you, that the Dassault Service is Excellent!

Read BAZL, there are 10 HB-....registered 7X`s

LG

I know there are 7x in the Swiss registry, just not HB-X....., as X is for helicopters.
That's what I was trying to say, but was not clear enough

Yes, it's HB registered but not HB-X..., he was just trying to be discreet with the XXX.

9M_JON - Spot on. Good to see that someone did not only get out of bed this morning, but actually woke up. :ok: In fact the registration is HB-XYZ :p:}

It is not official information yet so I will not post it here.

CP

Can´t vouch for the support of Dassault (other than that I once walked onto their holy ground in LBG, wearing full uniform, in my function as chief pilot of a DAX company and requested information on Falcon 2000/900 ldg/t/o performance and no-one was interested or did bother to contact me after leaving my business card there), but I know that for the 14 years I flew KingAir B200s commercially - one of with was bought 1 year old from Beechcraft - I never saw or heared anything from a Beech representative.
Yet they are rated number1 for new tp´s doesn´t mean anything as the only other contender would be Avanti....for older TP´s they are even beaten by Mitsubishi...!
We bought a used CJ2 from a dealer in Germany and the very next day I was contacted by their techrep in Germany.

Sorry for the tread drift.

7X Reg Trim Runaway
 

All the Swiss reg 7X's are HB-J??.:ok:

someone woke up a bit earlier;)

Interesting, not all 7Xs are grounded. Yesterday at least 3 Bermudan-registered and even one EASA-registered were flying within Eurocontrol airspace.
What EASA publishes is one thing, but Eurocontrol let these birds fly anyway. Go figure :ugh:

ferry permit?

I would say even 2 FA7X registered in EU were flying that day !

FL480, absolutely yes but you know the military is sitting above EASA and it was only for protocol number 14 :oh:

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Hope they get it sorted soon, currently SZB is overrun by the French.

There is no such thing as an EASA regsitered aircraft.:=