What the Beeb are saying.
 

The Citation has plastic windshields using Bleed Air (Normal) and Alcohol (Alternate) ice protection. As far as I can see the damage to the windshields, particularly on the left side is broadly consistent with other Citations that have burned.

I know as much as 99% of those here, diddly squat, but noticed there may be some confusion about the 'Air Ambulance' pilot climbing into the burning wreckage.
Bearing in mind that these type of flights are sometimes referred to as 'Air Ambulance' flights, todays Mercury may have one solution to the misunderstanding, but then again from the quote in the next paragraph, makes it more of a muddle.

Shocking pictures of crash plane at Birmingham Airport - Sunday Mercury


In any case, a huge hats off to the pilot whoever you are and very best wishes for a speedy recovery. :ok:

Maybe this was a perfectly serviceable Citation
 

..until it struck the GS antanna(e)?

Please don't flame me for my first post... 8 year reader/squatter here!

Thanks.

Weather Conditions
 

I was at BHX when this accident occured although I did not see anything. There was a clear blue sky over the airfield and then a dense fog bank drifted across from Marston Green. This happened within minutes and soon the entire airport was shrouded in dense fog. It was akin to sea mist which can cause difficulties at Jersey which is an island field.

Well great news the crew are ok, I have not been able to see the news over the weekend, and was under the impression that it was a fatal accident.

So so glad to read everyone is ok, that is all that matters. Speedy recovery to all involved :ok:

BBC News - Man saved by Birmingham Airport aircraft crash liver

The patient who received the organ was listed as "super urgent" because at the time he was one of the sickest people on the transplant list in the UK."Patients who are on this list only have a matter of days to survive, so in this particular instance it was crucially important that the donor liver was used and has functioned successfully,"

"A spokeswoman for the private plane charter firm AD Aviation said: "The pilots are both doing fine.
"One was released from hospital on Saturday, the other is still being treated. His injuries are not life-threatening but his recuperation could take a number of weeks. "One of the pilots got out of the plane themselves while the other had to be rescued. Both are very experienced pilots who we've known for a number of years."

Quote
"A spokeswoman for the private plane charter

I wish people would get this point clear that there is no such thing as a " private plane charter", it is either a private plane or a charter plane. You can be private in a charter plane but it is illegal to charter a private plane.

2nd-generation

You may or may not be right! A few different scenarios have run through my mind as to why they hit the ILS GP antenna. I've got my own hunch but there we go..............

Glad to know the seriously injured pilot is on the mend! :ok:

As this was AD Aviation's Citation ISP (titled to Frandley Aviation Partnership LLP) and it was carrying an organ it has to have been a public transport (charter) operation and so any reference to 'private' flight is misdirected. Or was it?

Of course a Cessna 501 could have been flown single pilot on a private basis - would that still be the case on a charter if there were no pax but just cargo/organs etc.?

Does it really bloody matter, the "private charter" quote didn't come from Flight International it came of the beeb who are reporting to a layman....

Its simply referring to the airplane as a private aircraft as opposed to a public aircraft such as an airbus.

They make the distinction as if it was a "public" aircraft and it had crashed on landing it would be front page news and this would be in rumours and news

I thought this was a forum for professionals? AD operate under a EU AOC, and have undertaken many such flights as such. I take it we have all heard of leasing? Yes?

Can we stop the "private" implications, now? It is bollox, and quite ... well, sad, really.

Ta.

The man lying in hospital is a good bloke. I speak from personal experience. Forthright. Honest. Let's make our focus his recovery, yes?

Thoroughly agree with Sepp.
Speculation, misinformation and the like is way out of order :=
Our thoughts should be with the crew members after this sad event.
Unlike some "dodgy" operators that I won't mention, AD Aviation has always operated to the letter of the law and I am sure that they will continue to do so.
Best wishes to the two crew who are former colleagues and personal friends of mine.... Both bloody good jockeys and great guys. Get well soon.

sepp pm recvd/sent

What was the BHX Metar as this aircraft flew the approach?

ILS?
 

Hi guys

I was jsut wondering whether the ILS beacon in still out of action, and what measures are being taken to work around it?

delete this if it is obvoius and ive been a :mad:

Bolli

Egbb Notam

Q) Egtt/qigas/i/nbo/a/000/999/5227n00145w005
B) From: 10/11/20 17:25c) To: 10/12/23 10:00 Est
E) Ils 15 Gp Out Of Service.

Q) EGTT/QICTT/I/BO/A/000/999/5227N00145W005
B) FROM: 10/11/04 08:40C) TO: 11/02/28 23:59
E) RWY 15 ILS REPLACEMENT WORK. SUP 039/2010 REFERS

The 15 ILS was in the process of being replaced anyway. I guess this will just speed things up a little.....

BBC1 TV programme
 

Just heard that there is a programme about this crash on BBC1 Midlands tonight at 7.30

Are you sure about that, O&H? My Sky electronic programme guide shows Wallace & Grommit across all BBC 1 regionals at 1930 tonight (1 Dec)

I'd certainly be interested to see such a programme.

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