That's a picture of fog, what is that to do with the weather conditions at the time of landing on the runway?

The exact words of the people waiting nearby the runway to take the organ.

"Fog was around Brum - but not over the airport at that precise time. Bright sunshine, clear skies."

I'm sure even a paramedic can get that right.

APRN

(Pronounced "Apron")

:E

Qualified pilots?
 

Were the pilots both instrument-rated, type-rated , current, and LVP-qualified?

Just an obvious question, no insinuation.

Road Hog, read the Metars, there is no discussion needed, irrelevant of what a member of the public told you.

Egbb 191650z 01003kt 0100 R15/0300 R33/0300 Fg Vv/// 06/05 Q1012=
Egbb 191620z 01003kt 0100 R15/0300 R33/0275 Fg Bkn000 06/05 Q1011=
Egbb 191550z 01004kt 0250 R15/0275 R33/0325 Fg Nsc 07/05 Q1011=
Egbb 191520z 13003kt 9999 3000nw Prfg Few007 08/06 Q1011=
Egbb 191450z 15004kt 9999 Few007 09/07 Q1011=
Egbb 191420z 12004kt 090v160 9999 4500nw Few007 09/07 Q1011=
Egbb 191350z 12004kt 9999 Few007 09/07 Q1011=
Egbb 191320z 11004kt 070v140 9999 Sct007 08/07 Q1011=
Egbb 191250z Vrb03kt 9000 Sct005 08/08 Q1011=

Skynews now.....2 crew minor injuries also organ OK and delivered to hospital.

CLDRVR
 

Not sure I agree with you, I spent many years flying a business jet called a Boeing BBJ, if I had crashed at Birmingham I wonder where the news would be discussed?

Seems to me that we're second class citizens around here...........

Think about it, quite the opposite.

CLDVR
 

Don't get your drift?

Bloggs, no such thing as an LVP qualification for pilots.

Bloggs

How many AOC jets do you know of operate day VFR? Maybe not lvp qualified, but asking if the guys are instrument rated? Come on. Its a business jet not a VFR ppl in a Seneca.

SF, it keeps the amount of armchair pilots and trolls down and the discussion generally tends to centre around Bizjet crew.

DB6
 

Beg to differ old chap, theres LVP qualifications necessary to operate below CAT 1 minima. I held CAT 3A LVP on both an MD-87 and 737-BBJ. You can't just fly CAT 2 and 3 without holding a company qualification to do so.

CLDVR
 

Fair point, I see what you mean.

SF, LVP on a Citation would only apply if you wanted to takeoff under an AOC with RVR less then 400m, otherwise no LVP required. a Citation is not cat II or III.

Anybody out there able to correct me on this?

Why ?
 

I quite agree - why was this thread moved ????

CLDVR
 

You're right but this was a landing accident in conditions that seem to have been below CAT1, therefore Article 39 and 40 of the ANO applies (unless you have passed the OM or 4 mile point). With no LVO capability on a Citation something else may have been going on to foce the crew into this approach?

I'd rather nor speculate too much, I hate Bizjet accidents, ours is a small world and it always feels very close to home when some of our colleagues come to grief.

Lets just hope they both fully recover.

They were spitting bits out the back and on fire, I can hazard an educated guess that EU-OPS was the last thing on their mind.

ANO has been history for a while.

I was at the airport about 30 seconds after they closed the A45 road.
One police car and van were there.
There was no fog at the airport, however about 2 miles down the road whilst driving to the airport, the fog was very thick, and I would guess it was not far from the perimeter.
An ambulance was driving FROM the airport towards the A45. Maybe the ambulance there to collect the organ?
Major amounts of Police motorcycles and Fire engines major incident units arrived about 5 mins after I went into the airport.
Where are the crash gates into the airport?.........I know there is one at the threshold of 33, which is connected to the A45.
Anyway, I hope that all everyone that was involved is OK. My heart and thoughts go out to all the people injured, and I wish them a speedy recovery.

CLDVR
 

Agree fully, it wouldn't be on my mind in those circumstances..........

Sods law isn't it? You have a major problem on the day that theres fog around?

I wish them well.

The aircraft took out the "ILS antenna" [not sure which] on landing, according to Birmingham airport. This was not your normal variety approach and landing, they made it within the perimeter and according to most sources have only minor injuries, they did well.

Time will tell the rest.