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Dangagan 13th Jun 2010 08:37

LearJet Type rating
 
Can I fly a Learjet45 on a PPL(A) and what is the cost of a Learjet45 Type rating? Thanks

NuName 13th Jun 2010 09:18

You can fly any aircraft you like on a PPL, you just have to find someone or some organisation prepared to give you the training.

I-AINC 13th Jun 2010 18:45

With a PPL you can only fly aircraft with MTOW< 5700kg. Check the weight of a LR45.

NuName 13th Jun 2010 18:48

There is no weight limit on a PPL, in theory you can fly a B747 or a A380 on it.

Shiner Pilot 13th Jun 2010 19:01

VFR in uncontrolled airspace...
Why would you want to spend all that money?

Must be loaded...

doubleu-anker 13th Jun 2010 19:02

One hurdle to overcome is the insurance cover. Being a PPL, you are likely to be inexperienced. Likely, not implying you are.

NuName 13th Jun 2010 19:05

With an instrument rating there are no restrictions and the insurance company will take into consideration experience but nobody is saying it will be easy or cheap.

seaskimmer 13th Jun 2010 20:31

Cost around £15,000 GBP, you can fly on a PPL but I don't think it can be flown single crew.

180 Too Fower 15th Jun 2010 12:23

JAR-FCL or FAA ?

You cannot get the LR45 put on a JAR-FCL PPL or indeed any multi pilot/crew aircraft without either an ATPL or Frozen, and MCC etc etc....read Lasors on CAA web.

You cannot even get it put on a UK CPL/IR without having passed the ATPL ground examinations.....and after you have done all that.....an ATPL skill test in the Aircraft.:ooh:

Bye for now.:ok:

NuName 15th Jun 2010 12:35

180 Too Fower
 
Oh yes you can, the only essential difference between a PPL and a CPL is the word commercial, ATPL takes the commercial situation a bit further. I used to fly a large (way over 5700kg), 2 crew aircraft with a UK PPL holder who done the type rating on the CAA PPL and then had the priviledges transferred to his FAA PPL. The weight restrictions only apply to commercial operations, you can fly anything with a PPL, just do the type rating, and, you should really get an I/R to go with it so you can really have fun.

180 Too Fower 15th Jun 2010 13:59

To add a Multi Pilot Aeroplane Type Rating to a JAR-FCL Licence which the Lear 45 is there are prerequisite conditions.......it has changed from a few years ago......it's all in Lasors F4.:hmm:

I don't know about other states, but for the uk you can't just get a MPA rating put on a PPL alone.:ugh:

sooooooo get studying:cool:

NuName 15th Jun 2010 14:05

Well I don't want it and nor do I need it, all this pertains to is the original question and the answer is yes, the fact that you have to satisfy certain requirements does not change the fact that ANY aircraft can be flown on a PPL. FAA, JAA or any AA.

INSIDEVIEW 15th Jun 2010 14:09

Cheers
 
In mye eyes ,just a ridicolous Thread.

Experience is somehow essential to fly an Jet-Airplane .
Just my Opinion.

NuName 15th Jun 2010 14:15

Insideview
 
Not ridiculous at all, there are many PPL's out there with huge experience, I certainly know a few, apart from my previous comment I once knew a guy who owned and flew a Falcon 10 with only a PPL, he was ex air force. You just don't know who might be out there, life is full of supprises. PPL does not stand for no experience it only means not to be used for commercial purposes.

180 Too Fower 15th Jun 2010 14:57

You cannot fly any aeroplane on just a PPL nowadays......:ugh:

Read Lasors F4:ugh:

Sometime ago yes you could but as I said to put an MPA type rating on a Licence one needs MCC, which can be part of the TRTO Training and one needs to have passed all ground school at ATPL level.

:zzz::zzz:

ATP_Al 15th Jun 2010 15:04

IIRC for any type designated as a "high performance aircraft", you either need to have passed the ATPL theory exams or undertake a separate high performance aircraft course. Finding an FTO that offers one could be difficult as there's a fairly limited market for such a course.

And yes you do need the MCC as well. It should all be in LASORS

NuName 15th Jun 2010 15:45

You still do not have to have anything other than a PPL, also, EASA is not the only game in town. Bang your heads all you like, its a fact.

180 Too Fower 15th Jun 2010 16:39

Wrong.:hmm:

Please refer to the last two posts.

Dangagan: To put a LR45 or any MPA type on a JAR Licence you will need more than just a basic PPL.

Other states will perhaps be different, but FSI Atlanta will not let you near a simulator without having passed the ATPL ground examinations and have MCC.....believe me:cool:

PicMas 15th Jun 2010 16:42

You are correct NuName, a PPL is all that is required to fly a LR45 or ANY other aircraft certified for civil use (and a few military for that matter)

Give it time and this will turn into the usual "my licensing authority is more correct than yours" cr@p.

Just like the discussion on correct logging of instrument time. There will always be some selfproclaimed aviation oracle, that has all the right answers on how things definitely are, remember... I have said it so many times I know its true.

Oh yeah... and reading "LASORS" and understanding airman licensing is fairly clearly two entirely different things.

LR45 can be flown on a PPL, if one gets different out of reading LASORS, FAR/AIM or Penthouse, the LR45 can still be flown on a PPL. No MCC, No ATPL, No parrot on the shoulder or wooden leg required.

NuName 15th Jun 2010 16:46

No, right ;), the question was, can a lear be flown on a PPL, answer=yes. I've had enough now so I will leave it to you good folks. I have not made any comments other that it is possible and it can be done, I doubt through Flight Safety or Simuflite but easy to do in Florida.


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