LEA Redundancies?
 

Heard a rumour that LEA has made all their Citation 2 drivers redundant. Can anyone confirm?

One or two, not all..........

Wouldn't they just transfer to the growing Mustang fleet?

redundancies
 

:ugh:

I heard they have made a few of their Citation 2 pilots redundant as well as a whole lot of their Legacy fleet crew!!!
They had 4 legacies( one based and crewed in prestwick) and now they only have 2 and one of them is the one in prestwick so not good for their crew. Bet they are all looking for jobs in case another goes!:}

legacy crews
 

Hi approachchecks if there are any legacy crews looking for a job, I may be able to help.
Please PM me.

last one out turn the lights out!
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:{

what a curious remark......surely LEA are the biggest/best operator in the UK, cant see them being in a dodgy financial position.

Instead of asking/whingeing; why not give George G. a bell and ask:=

Can't comment on "best" since I've never worked for them, but they're not even close to being the biggest!
Either way, neither "biggest" nor "best" makes them immune from potential financial problems.

I thought LEA were the biggest GA operator in the UK?

So who is bigger then?

Tag and Bookajet have got large fleets, but not all are G-Regs or are on their own AOCs.

Eurojet have a few machines I think.

How many machines in the Air Partner fleet at the moment?

LEA must be up there, when you consider the numerous Mustangs, plus a couple of King Airs; CII/Bravos, XLs, Challenger 300s, Legacys and the Falcon.

Fleet and Emb redundancies
 

Well apparently another 2 Emb 135 captains will be looking for a job!!!!!!
They trying to get rid of their Cit II's and apparently the King Airs too. Mustangs are not very busy but taking some of the work away from the King Airs!

Who knows if they will still be around in the future!!:confused:

Approachchecks,

How do you make the correlation between laying off crews when there is less flying and not being around in the future.

Everyone is doing less flying, therefore need less crews. I'm sure the catering company is buying less bread because he is making less sandwiches. If he's still buying as many loaves then he is an idiot and will go tits up.

Let's be careful that we don't confuse actively managing your overhead with going broke, in fact one insures the other does not happen.

Well said Phil!

He could buy the same amount of bread and put it in the freezer Phil!

That's crazy: switch the freezer off and save on overhard

But he might have a fridge freezer, what about all the other produce?

No point in having a fridge either, everyone will soon have to grow ther own

Haven't seen fridge seeds at my local garden centre, you got some in yours?:E Can you grow em from fridge magnets:bored::confused:

Phil, I was talking about the crew!!:}

cough cough "thats got it"
 

So we can grow our own crew now or do we just have netjets train them water them and then we uproot them when they are ripe?

more redundancies
 

Not surprised but met some crew at xxx and they told me a B200 pilot went recently and 3 from ops!!!

lets wait and see Mr Brockwell !!!:ok:

lets make no mistake here.....people are losing their jobs which has a direct impact on thier livelihood and families. Comparing it to a catering company buying less bread, in the words of Mr. Brockwell, is nothing short of pathetic, and at the very least downright tactless.

Cniall
 

Well said mate.

Maybe Mr Brockwell should be concentrating more on his operation than sitting on here commenting on everything.
Maybe his operation is not as busy as he thinks, hense the time to sit on PRUNE!!!!:ugh:

CNAILL,

I was simply stating an economic fact, if you have less business you can afford less staff. The point I was trying to get accross was that cutting overhead is part of survival through a recession, not necessarilly an indication of impending doom.

Good Luck to the Good Operators
 

I, for one wish the good guys, good luck, even though we are a competitors.

And very well stated it was too in my opinion. However, did you expect to get many followers on a pilot network? It's possible that harsh economics are easier to swallow when you're not on the receiving end of a redundancy notice, hence the emotion seen here.

Mike,

It's not just crews, every department will be facing cost cuts.

Approachcheck, and Cniall,

Unnecessary criticism, ill informed and out of context. It's got sod all to do with you what I do with my time. If you knew anything about me you would know that the hours I put into this company could never be questioned. You also obviously know nothing about what I do here because in sales and marketing you get busier when things are quieter so in your logic we must be really busy if I'm on pprune all day rather than generating business. The reality is we're quiet, like everyone. 10 minutes on here really won't put a huge dent in my day which is normally significantly longer than any FTL scheme would allow.

With attitudes like yours I'm sure your employer will have you fairly high on the pecking list if redundancies are required.



Phil

Plus 1.

Don´t be so touchy.

I wish I understood why people on here sometimes choose to have a pop at people like Phil who is welded to his desk 24 hours a day keeping his planes flying but at the same time there are utter tossers affiliated to this industry who get off scott free.

Pilots have to moan - its in the genes. Lets just agree to focus the negative comments at the total tossers and criminals in this industry. My ex bosses owe me £16,200 in salary, £4000 in expenses (I paid fuel and handling a couple of times so that passengers didnt get stuck), and I'm being chased for a company debt of £6500 with regard to CRE training. They never paid a penny of rent to their landlord in over a year of being in Stansted, didn't pay owners when they chartered out their planes, allowed engine maintence and pro parts contracts to lapse on customers aircraft, carried on using fuel cards after they had been withdrawn (thats called theft) and traded for over 9 months in the full knowlege that they were in a totally unresolvable situation (insolvent) and went bust owing 1.5mil and don't even have enough assets for an administrator to get appointed because there will be no fees! If you want to have a pop at someone, have a go at people like them because they are a cancer in this industry. (yes Duck I have all the paperwork to support this and will make it freely available to absolutely anyone that wants it).
Why do brokers continue to give work to people like this?

Re Phil Brockwell


This guy is legend he has worked in the Industry for a Good many years.

I to worked in the industry for a lot of years and although I have never met Phil I have spoken to him and had dealings with him

Phil and I have both seen over the years the fly by night operators who flaunt the law have no A O C and just take the Pxxs out of the Operators that do things Legally

All the anti Phil Brigade can I ask you

How long have you been in the Industry ?

I Bet you all drive around in Big Fancy Cars dressed to the nine s in your Saville Row suits telling all the Customers how good you are and making totally false promises about what you can offer..


Guys keep of Phil s Back he knows what he is doing and I bet he wishes he could name all the Wanxxrs he has had the misfortune to come across in his carrer.

Phil weve seen em come and go and will still see these creeps on the curcuit for may years to come.

Whilst the C A A are kept in there mode (We cant do anything about its because in not on the Uk Register) these people will linger on .

Phil I Respect you as one of the Gentlemen in this Industry and I assure you there are not many of us left


Regards

Phil....I think you'll find that I never mentioned anything about how you run your operation. From what I hear you do a damn good job. Believe me, I know how economics work and obviously if there is no work, pilots, amongst countless other professions will get laid off.....no patronising economic lesson needed here. My point was that there's no need to be so 'matter of fact' about it when it's obvious from this thread and others, that emotions are running high. I have many close friends in the pilot industry who have been laid off recently, without even the comfort of being paid any redundancy. People who are tens of thousands of pounds in debt due to their flight training and who are now severley struggling to support their families. I know it's a difficult time for everyone and companies must reduce overheads in order to survive, but I certainly wouldn't like to be in that position.

Where is it? Who is it? All I can see is someone taking slight offence of how Phil said something... maybe time to get a tad more real and a bit less pompous ("last gentlemen left...")

And I´m in the industry only since 20 years and I drive a VW Rabbit and wear Jeans when not in uniform.

Sheeeze - so it's OK to start posting about LEA going tits up, but I'm described as pathetic if I mention the inevitability of redundancies in a "matter of fact" way.

Please accept my sincere apologies if I offended anyone by speaking matter of factly, I was unaware of the sensitive nature of some of the ppruners.

Come on Phil, they are pilots!!! YOU should know that we are shy and sensitive.

Please watch your language for aforementioned reasons.

And take note of this ----> ;)

Let's face facts here guys. If we wanted job security we would have worked in a bank...er I mean...woolworth's...er...not sure actually. I reckon Barbers will do OK though. We all need our hair cutting from time to time and the Barbers will pick up extra customers who used to go to a stylist. So, ditch the demi wave, and get a short back and sides instead.
The moral of the story is that Aviation has always been the same....same sh1t different flight number. This happened in the 80's, the 90's and now in 00's. In the early 90's I knew a guy who had 5000hrs, of which 4500 were turbo prop and he took a job at Burger King for a year until things got better. It's just the way it is.
It will all get better soon enough.

Im shure it will get better again. The problem is that every time it gets better after a downspell, pilot jobs pay less. Hard tendency to stop, i understand, because if you have been unemployed for a year, you accept lower T&C's in order to go back to work.

The bottom line though is that pilots make pretty much the same as 20 years ago!

A bit unfortunate when you think that every time aviation comes back, it grows to a larger size that before! People are flying much more now than 20 years ago, and yes, tickets are cheaper, but we should still be commanding higher rates.

Well said FPL. As one who ended up driving a van during the early nineties (if you don't remember 'em, consider this year as your first really important lesson in aviation) but was lucky enough to stay employed through the 80s,this is a cycle.

Keep your head down, don't leave your current job in a fit of pique and burn bridges behind you. All companies are battening down the hatches to protect themselves from the gathering storm and they're doing it to try and protect you as well as the business.

If you're considering leaving you're current employer, ask yourself one question - who's seniority list do do want to join at the bottom right now?

FPL - it's worth looking at the undertaking industry too. They will always have customers, some on the pavement below Canary Wharf..

Oooh! Just read my last post and would like to make one very clear statement:

I AM NOT MANAGEMENT! :eek:

Just a geezer who's seen it before....:{

Cheers

McDoo

Hopefully this global recession slows the army of recruits comming through Oxford and such places for a few years. There's just too many pilots paying £80k for a frozen ATPL and then forcing the salaries down.