JetBird
 

Apologies to the Mods if this Q has been raised elsewhere but I honestly did try to find it before posting...Anyway

Jetbird...Anyone got any info on these guys? Location, proposed start dates, AOC in hand?
Anyone else doing this anywhere at the moment?

www.flyjetbird.com


Seems like now might not be the best time for something like this to kick off what with contracting financial markets and overall creeping global uncertainty...Best of luck to them regardless...


Hustle On :ok:

Upset? Moi?

The nearest I could find to a meaningful a thread was this which I assume you saw too. Nothing else buried in the archives. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hlight=jetbird Doesn't tell you much though.

I'm sure there'll be someone along soon who will tell us how Jetbird are the new best thing since sliced bread though if they have a post count of "1" I'd be healthily sceptical of their motives if I were you. ;)



Duck

Well, they seem to think Malta is somewhere between Minsk and Helsinki - look at the maps showing the range of their Phenoms...:suspect:

small issue of fuel price
 

Since this idea was conceived sometime in 2006, there is a 'small' issue of the 2008 fuel price. With the price of a barrel of black gloop bobbing up n down around the $100/pb mark then I'm sure continuous tweaking of the business plan is required. My guess is that fuel has gone from being somewhere in the teens to now being in the mid 20's percentile of their projected operating costs.

It also sounds like Emb are being a little coy with the exact performance figures for their shiny new toy so there may be a further few surprises in store regarding fuel burns.


BTW...if anyone wants a good laugh you should check out this lot...
www.smintair.com
...and read the letter from the CEO, the nutty professor comes to mind.

Hustle On:ok:

As for Blink, the Phenom will make it hard to achieve the expected DOC. On those short ranges, any thrust reduction due to heat will affect the rate of climb, thus flight time and consumption with a serious impact. Avantis would definitely do a better job.

Why do they think they can succeed in this down economy? Is it a situation where they expect owners of larger aircraft to downsize and use this type of service? I presume they will roll-out slowly and hope the economy gradually improves...

I hear the Phenom 100 is a fun airplane to fly. Here's a link to the pilot section of their website (describes Phenom 100 flightdeck, etc.):

Fly JetBird - Pilots

Might be a fun airplane to fly, but I hope the pay meets expectations. Of course, they are probably likely to attract desparate furloughed pilots regardless...

I think they pay for the training.
But it 's a single pilot plane, so even the copilot can not log anytime, and don't need a type rating.
I dont really understand what kind of rating they offer?

I guess the upgrades to the left will happen very quickly then.

Jetbird
 

I think single pilot operation is only for private, but if you have AOC 2 pilot crew should be.
I got a mail, to screening will be in Gatwick 30 march 1 April and salary co 40000eur and for cap 60000eur per year.

Any word on initial pilot bases?

Jetbird
 

Hi
- basic salary 60000eur gross (tax deduction as per Germany)
- travel at your own expenses (so if you're out of Cologne.....no discounted tickets at the moment...........)

type rating
 

there are two simulator by CAE one in USA and one in LONDON but i dont know how much type rating.
anyone know if jetbird pay it ?:confused::eek:

Yeah, they pay the type rating but pilots will be bonded for 3 years

Jetbird
 

Any idea of how much the bond will be? Is it linearly decreasing?

Alex73, out of interest what is your source of this info? Thanks :ok:

Anyone knows more about the screening? How many are going and what are your experience?

Jetbird personnel is the source.....out of interest, actually the person e-mailing people to interview.
I personnally think 3 years is a huge amount........

interview
 

anyone received the confirmarion mail for the next interview yet???:bored:

40,000 euro, pay your own travel and accommodation. Living in the UK I can't see how I would make a profit out of that. Think this is for singles only.

They make first interview by phone :confused: , and one of the question-are you ready to relocate??? and a lot of other questions like....last book you to read... favorite color....
And at the end will call you next week.....:ok:

If the job includes initial pilots being based at Cologne I don't see how someone could consider not relocating - at least initially. Perhaps you would have more flexibility after growth when additional domiciles should pop up.

Should be interesting to watch JetBird start up. I am curious to see how they do in this market. I guess if you can afford the switch and you don't mind a little risk, it sounds like a fun job and a nice aeroplane to fly. I wish them luck!

I second that! There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying. People need to be more upbeat about things...it's the only way this dire crisis will get better!:ok:

Just a quick question for people who have been contacted already. What kind of experience have you got ??

500 minimun
 

Lena told me that this year the minimun experience will be 500 hours for get a interview.
Good lucky.

I will tell you why someone should not consider relocating... Because if you join, convinced that it will be temporary, later on, you end up with unhappy pilots who were just naive and filled with illusions.
It happens in all companies so to avoid any disappointment and the bitterness generally seen on forums, one should join with very realistic expectations. If the job says you have to relocate to Koln then that what it says. Not that later, you will be able to move back home.

At least that's the kind of colleagues I would like to see, upbeat about their new job, location and who will remain as such because they thought about it rather than living in lalaland.

Interview
 

Hey Guys

The 500 hrs is that total or jet?? Is there anybody that has be contacted for the inteview in mar/apr?? Good luck everyone:)

i think it s 500h total to apply as a copilot.
I have more but no the 500h on jet and I have been contacted by them if I accept to be relocated.

Just do it batman. And then tell us more about the operation once you are on the inside. Flying around Europe in an advanced jet certainly would accelerate your learning.

Cheers

Do they pay allowances during initial sim training?

Hey guys has anyone heard any news on the interview for mar/april and does anyone know how many people they are looking for to fill their courses this year:ok: havent heard from lena yet!!:ugh:... good luck to everyone waiting hope we hear something soon...

Found this dated 7th March.
Launch delayed til September-ish, due to lack of aircraft. :(

Launch date for Slattery's plane taxi company JetBird up in air - Irish, Business - Independent.ie

well, they told me the decision is taken in dublin now, and if you are not called in march , you may be called for the next selection in june .

Are they still accepting applications for the march interviews?.

Regards.

Silent phone
 

Quick question for the lucky ones that received a phone call. What is your's experience level??:bored: Just to find out where that leaves the rest of us, where the phone has keept its silence:(. All the best to the guys who made it:D

CRI/CRE rating
 

I note that a number of agencies are now advertising for potential CRI/CRE's to train Phenom pilots in the UK. The stupid thing is that to be qualified to instruct/examine in this role requires

I'm assuming this is to meet the requirements of JAR-FCL 1.380

and that as next to nobody will have Phenom hours the next equivalent is multi-engine piston (and larger multi-engine jet experience obviously doesn't count!). The VLJ concept has obviously caught JAR Ops rather unaware. So pilots could potentially be taught by somebody who has no jet experience themselves, whereas someone with lots of (larger) jet time but not meeting the 30 hours Captain on multi engine piston does not qualify to be a CRI! :ugh:

Ah yes, but this is a single-pilot aircraft and, I am sure, anyone who has done both will agree with me that single-pilot IFR ops, especially in a wheeezing piston-twin, are more challenging than multi-crew, small biz-jet ops and require higher-levels of self management (stands by for barrage). Ideally, this class of aircraft requires instructors with either a) experience of both kinds of ops or b) single pilot experience with kind of aircraft - which is a bit thin on the ground at the moment.

However, I sure commercial operators will be operating multi-crew so, as the legislation stands, trainee crew could be in the sim with an instructor without multi-crew experience.

I'm sure CAE have this in mind when recruiting trainers and, just because the minimum requirements are such, it doesn't mean that is what they are looking for or prepared to accept in instructor candidates.

I think you are correct though, perhaps the legislation needs a bit of a tweak.

No argument from this side of the room.

Anyone who has any other contact informaton than those listed on their website? (JetBird) Please PM me with email or phone numbers you might have.
Thanks!

Hi all,

I had received a called from Jetbird and I had an interview by phone. Anybody knows how many time spend to give a possitive or negative answer to the next step?

Thanks for all answers

I had telephone interview a couple of days ago and they said they would be back in touch in 7 to 10 days if I was successful. For the guys that were asking earlier I've got just over 1000 hours with almost 800 on jet. Initial base Cologne with a view to being able to change in the future when UK and other European bases open. Also, first course will be in June when they will be getting just the 1 aircraft to start with. So from what I understand, they are recruiting now for only 1 or 2 crews and the rest will be in a holding pool until the autumn. Hope this helps.