Execujet Middle East
 

Hi,

I am desparetly looking for info about Execujet Middle East based in Dubai. As far as I know they are hiring for LR 60. Appreciate any info on the company with focus on:

* Salary for F/O on LR60
* Roster
* Housing allowance (if available)
* Operation

Many thanks in advance.

unless I am mistaken
 

The pay is very low, the conditions of employment are not up to the low standards of most of Dubai, but the coffee machine is great.

It also does depend on if the aircraft is managed or owned.

At least one potential managed aircraft was offering to pay captains with 1000+ on type a total, yes, total 7000$ per month 11 on 1 off, to include housing, transport, etc, etc.

I might be wrong, but as in all of UAE, ME, remove the rose tinted specs, ASAP.

iwo

Clicky, to say the least.

Mind you, if you become a spy for the b*g W***y, then you might end up flying a Global. What a price to pay but if you lack integrity and don't mind low pay, then it's probably the place for you!

Hi,

nobody out there who has some more adequate infos about Execujet ME ? Appreciate any further statements.


Many Greetings

You really do not want to go there. Just ran into two of their crew's out on the road and they told some horror stories. Airplanes are pencil whipped on maintenance or not even signed off at all. They told us one case where the mechanics MEL'ed something on an aircraft that did not even have a legal MEL, putting the flight crew at risk.

They do offer rotations and if you live close thats fine, but they fly their crews to and from ECONOMY on the airlines so if you live in the UK its a long flight stuffed between two 80 kilo mama's and kid kicking the back of your seat on the way home.

Other problems are that the management has run off the last two chief pilots. For the last 3-4 months there has been NO chief pilot and a desk driver who lost his medical years ago has "assumed the job" but thats not going to last for long.

All in all a pretty low class operation and you can do better.

Of course, here is a glaring eg. of a company getting too big for it's boots and forgetting this very important fact.

Apart from the the aircraft, the crews are the greatest asset a company can have. If the crews are looked after, they will look after the company. Forget that very important point and the crews can and do, cost the company dear.

One of the criterion to gaining employment with them is to be a "friend" of the big willy.

Hi Guys,

thanks for replying. I have heared that in the meantime Execujet has increased the salary, but of course nothing confirmed, mabye they don´t get enough crews now and recognized that their package is too low compared to current market offers. They defintely has to change otherwise won´t be able to get their jets flying.

Greetings

chandlers dad
 

New to this and were looking here to investigate of good operator in the middle east since I would like to relocate to the middle east.
chandlers dad you said the chief pilot position will soon be available. Do you know the operator, any hints where to apply for the CP position.
thanks

Pants on fire...
 

Thought everyone should know that the info provided by Chandler's Dad is mostly false and filled with Half-truths - PPRune has mostly been an interesting an reliable for source for young aviators to make enquiries before maybe joining the wrong company.

I know the EJME very well and after making some concerned enquiries, the following is the truth.

- They HAVE lost 2 Chief Pilots. First resigned, because he chose a rotation job and gets to live back at home now. Second resigned from CP position due to Medical concerns. Both STILL fly for the company and are working on new 32 on 28 off contracts. Both are available for comment.

- In another post CD refer's to the loss of "An excellent Aircraft Account Manager" - This individual was fired after investigations into unsafe practises and an event in the cockpit. Enough said.

- Bluesky is correct about salaries having been increased and are competitive + they are only Dubai based Operator providing rotation contracts from base.

- Jets are flying. "Peter Prinicple" seems to be working for them. Only disruption left is getting the existing crew into the new equipment and upgrade smartly and fairly. Disruptions during growth is a part of the game, but all senior crew are settled and informed.

If any of you hear or suspect differently, please let me know. Maybe I can put you in touch with the people who have the facts.

Vert Out.

Vert,

Sorry but since you seem to know it all, please tell us why the account manager was let go? He still does not know, and not one of the other crew members on that aircraft know either.

He was told that he was let go because of a "wake turbulence incident." Problem was that this happened almost 3 months ago and no one said a thing then. They were put 5 miles in-trail of a 777 and got caught in their wake, rolling them to about a 45 degree angle before they could get it back level. Again, not a word was said then.

Almost 3 months later after this same pilot had returned to the UAE to get his UAE pilots license, medical and residence permit (and passed all of it fine) he is told with no notice that he is being let go and some mention of this "wake turbulence" incident.

Not one pilot flying on this aircraft believes that this is why the pilot was fired, and everyone I have chatted with believes that there is something else going on.

Please tell us what the REAL story is because you seem to know everything going on here? Or are your real initials HA?

CD

Vert,

You seem to be silent now. Wonder why?

How about telling us about YOUR experiences with ExecuJet, and not what you are getting from your supposed calls to someone in the company. You are very quick to say that everything is a half truth then when confronted say nothing.

Also, what is your comment that there are more than 10 things that EJ did in letting the aircraft manager go that are illegal and against UAE law? To start with, any action with an employee has to be filed within 2 weeks of the incident, not almost 3 months. The very reason for his being let go is illegal and they just opened themselves up for a lawsuit for what they did.

How about the captain of a RJ that EJ is flying who was accused by one of the ex-chief pilots of drinking within the 12 hour before flight time? Tell us about this? Turns out that the pilot who was supposedly drinking had been drinking a coke and not a rum and coke, and the chief pilot "informed" on a innocent pilot to the office. Then several days later he took it upon himself to do a "ramp check" on the pilots just to be a jerk.

Your comments? Tell us what you know directly, and not rumours from the lacky's inside EJ. I got the above directly from the pilots involved.

CD

PS I find it very interesting that you have a grand total of 5 posts and have not been here very long. Makes one wonder where you work in EJ and if you are not part of the problem!

Check 360
 

I have watching this blog an have a few facts of my own to add. The AAM was let go for unfounded and uninvestigated reasons. And with no flight evaluation review, no counselling and NO NOTICE for a supposed incident that did not warrent disciplinary action. This pilot is a good pilot with, by the way, an excellent military and commercial flying record.

Can the people who fired him say the same? If so, let's scrutinize THEIR qualifications in the same manner the pilot's was. Let's see how those who made the decision to fire this pilot came to have that power in the first place. That would be fascinating, since, ironically, the SUM TOTAL of the aviation experience of the operations management at ejme is less than HALF of the lowest time co-pilot in the company. No kidding. Therein lies the core problem (and solution).

This pilot was let go last week because he argued strenuously for the very issues that the company is soliciting the pilots input on this week - better pay, a real medical coverage, travel conditions and above all, competent operations management. Fact is, he would have made a perfect chief pilot!

In the meantime, EJME brings on new aircraft every month onto the ramp. But staffing stays the same. Reason? Pilots won't come here with these dogmatic and inadequate mandates. Instead, they hire contract pilots at THREE TIMES the price to keep "control of the cost situation". By my count, this company has almost as many contract pilots now as it does full timers. Maybe we should rename EJME. How about ACASSME?

Cheers to all.

Hmmm...

I must say some of the appointments in the last 5 years to "high office" at EJME have raised my eyebrows more than once.

Every dog has it's day.

ACASSME.... thats very good and very true!

It seemed that over half of the EJME crews that I ran into were not working directly for EJME, but for ACASS under contract to EJME. This means that EJME is paying $35k a month for a pilot that they could get on the open market for $14k or so, but who cares, EJME has a money tree somewhere that never seems to run low on funds, unless its to purchase something that is needed very badly for the crews.

Was told that the director of ops was a pilot at one time (flew King Airs, but never a jet as far as anyone knows) but lost his medical years ago. Why is he allowed by the GCA to be "acting chief pilot" for this long a period? As well how can he even act as a CP without ever having flown a jet powered aircraft? Something is very fishy smelling here.

Whats next? Are they going to let someone be CP next who flew a Piper Cub 40 years ago? How about having flown a radio controlled airplane? Will this do next?

Agree that the gent who was let go would have made a very good Chief Pilot, but as long as the two oafs who are currently in charge of EJME rule the roost they will not allow someone with the balls to stand up to them in a position of power.

CD

Good one !
 

About time some reasonable response was heard on this.

Well done !

No, not a reasonable response
 

This what we call a mutual masterbation of the "three stooges" at EJME. Sorry, I cannot take credit for the nickname...it comes direct from the staff itself.

Involving the GCAA is probably a good idea at this point. Request a complete audit of the management, pilots and operational procedures of EJME and cc Mr. Duckworth while we're about it.

Who wants to make the first call?

Execujet
 

Chandlers Dad

You should be ashamed. You are spreading lies about good company, hard working and dedicated people.

Were you fired from Execujet? Judging on the way that you trash company I am sure you were fired.

Chandlers Dad, I am working for Execujet and I am one of the pilots. I am very happy with our company.

I am making great money, am working 1/1 month and get paid for every month, have comprehensive medical, life insurance, severance pay (35 days salary for every year I work with EJME), corporate credit card, roaming phone chip and stay at 5 star hotels.

All of our pilots were never laid off becuase aircraft was sold or managment contract was lost. Pilots always count on long term stability and they know where next pay check is coming from.

Our acting CP (Ops Manager) has more aviation experience and knowlege in his little finger than you will ever have. Mocking a person becuase he lost his medical just is saying a lot about youself. Our OM is honest, hard working and works 24/7 so we all can have a job. Do you know that he also used to be Training Manager and Ops Manager in Europe? He is walking Bible of JAA regulations. He has problems with people like yourself who are liars.

Our Maintenance Department is the best in Middle East. We are Bombardier warranty facility. All Bombardier operators come to us for maintenance. Come and see what is air-conditioned, clean and well organized hangar. All our mechanics are expats and have years of experience. Flying without MEL and unservicable aircraft? That is lie and is stupid. Who has final authority over aircraft? Captain or mechanic?

Aircraft Account Manager was fired becuase he flew into wake turbulence behind B777 with owner on board. He never explained what happened to owner or cabin crew.
Also he was going behind company back trying to take client away and make himself CP for the owner. I heard that owner does not want him back.

Ex. jerk CP who did ramp check maybe had a reason to do it. Chandlers Dad, were you present when ACASS pilots were drinking "coke"? Have you seen the pilots? Do you know those pilots were told by Execujet crew that we have 12 hours drinking policy. Have you seen the state of pilots that night? Also do you know that thier aircraft was left on ramp without covers, gear pins and water panel was left open? Do you think that jerk CP had no reason to do the check. By the way company has photo of aircraft without covers, plugs and pins.

Company has to subcontract pilots from ACASS becuase we are getting more aircraft than any other operator in Dubai. We need to use them to allow us time to properly select our pilots. Hiring process takes 3 months (interview, background check, notice period, resident visa, validation, training etc.) We need to make sure we do not end up with people like you.

So Chandlers Dad, do not trash good company that you do not know anything about.

Execujet is good company with good people. We just have to make sure we do not hire people like yourself.

Green Acres

All good stuff of course. Just a few things you have forgotton to mention. How much are you BANKING at the end of every month? How many hours flying are they expecting you to do every month?

Execujet
 

I am doing about 50-60 hours.

Company never bothers me and we fly the owners. They are excellent bunch.

Whole crew is very happy. We are in charge of schedule and we work with each other to make sure aircraft is covered.

They never missed my salary payment and I do always get it either on 31st or 1st of the month.

I am very well paid. I would not be working for them if they would not pay me well. I am not desparate to accept a job and than be miserable and bitch to others because somebody is making more. I know how much I am worth and I am getting what I want.

I choose to work for Execujet. They did not choose me becuase they or I was desparate.

I do not understand why are guys bitching about their pay and company. If they do not like it why do they not resign and leave?

If they think they are worth more money than they can go to companies that will pay better or look after them better.

Look. I am signed in as Green Acres so you do not know who I am. I can tell you for sure that I am not part of managment of Execujet. Why would I be defending company? Maybe becuase I hate lies and I know that I take pride along with other pilots of Execujet not to allow this kind of trashing of all of us. Execujet is us. We are Execujet. We take pride in our company.

Even if I leave them I would not trash them. They have paid my salary for what I have agreed. If I do not like it I can go. Nobody is holding me back.

Finally believe me - I do make great money, have excellent benefits and work 6 months per year. I live where I want and they fly me to work and back.

How much are you working per year? Do you get same benefits?

Green Acres,

Very interesting post! I as well am a EJME pilot and find a lot of your post totally BS! Whose rear end is your nose firmly implanted?! Let me guess, HA would be the initials?

Regarding HA and his experience. I know several ex-EJ Denmark pilots and they say that he flew a King Air years ago with the company. How can you say that he has more experience than professional pilots who are currently flying Lear Jets, RJ's and Challengers? Foolish comment I must say. I have been flying for 15 years now and have a lot more experience than he does but guess this does not count in your world.

Along with your extensive benefits, which are the same that most every other flight ops in the world gets BTW, you get to airline home ECONOMY class! This is one of the reasons why the aircraft manager was let go from what we hear, that he demanded that the Challenger crew be flown home on Business Class, and the office pukes (the ones pocketing the large bonus's while sleeping in their own beds every night) would see their bonus reduced over it, so they fired the pilot to end this. If this happened then the other pilots would have wanted this (yes we would love to have this) so it had to be stopped. BTW, this is one of the reason why many pilots refuse to work for EJME is that they do not want to fly up to 20 hours in economy twice a month! Wake up! EJME is not going to get the "cream of the crop" as long as they continue to do this!

Pls, stop giving us this "company credit card and phone chip" BS. This is standard practice in EVERY flight ops. Its not a benefit, its standard business practice. 5 star hotels huh? How many hours and years experience do you have? Green Acres is a good name I guess. Next time Richard in ops calls and puts you in a cheap POS hotel in Mumbai at 0100 in the morning, please remember this comment. They have done this to us many times, so please stop telling lies to everyone. Long term stability? How long have you been in aviation? There is no stability in aviation, so you must not have been a pilot for very long!

Flying without a MEL? Yes, I have done that with EJME before! Call me a liar and lets bet 100,000 Euro's on it, because I can prove it! Who has final authority? The mechanic does because you and I are worthless until the aircraft has been signed off and released by the mechanic!

How about the Lear 60 with the illegal cabinet installed and 30 kilo statue glued to the top by the owner? What would happen if there was an accident and this statue breaks loose and comes forward and injured or kills a pilot? When the pilots asked if it was legal the maintenance guys would not answer them. It was finally pulled out after flying for 6 months when one of the crews refused to fly the plane until it could be proven that it was legal. How about this Green Acres? EJME risked the licenses and careers of all the flight crews on this plane by illegally looking the other way while handing the jet to their crews and telling them to fly it! Wonderful company BTW.

You are so FOS with the "He never explained what happened to owner or cabin crew" comment. The pilot in question explained everything to the owner and cabin crew as soon as they got on the ground. I have heard this from 3 different people who were on the jet at the time it happened. Are you calling 3 EJME crew members liars? As far as taking the owner away, thats a new one, have never heard that.

" Execujet is good company with good people. We just have to make sure we do not hire people like yourself." What about me? I am working here and see the same (and more) things that CD and 360 are talking about. You have your nose so far up HA and the rest of the managers rear end that you cannot see if its IFR or VFR. Hope you grow up someday and realize what is going on in the world. EJME is a descent place to work but it has some problems that are going to really hurt it if not corrected and soon.

Vertigo,

Believe that you must be trapped in your own user name.

The ACASS pilots tell me that the Captains are being paid $8.5-$13k a month. I personally know several flight ops managers and they tell me that ACASS is charging $32-35k a month for a Captain right now. That makes the profit around $24,000 a month, not the 80-100% you mentioned.

Believe that the case with the "informal ramp check" is more a case of an inflated ego than someone who really cares about his job.

" - 1 Captain dismissed. Controversially. Litigation pending? No formal complaints from rest of crew contingent." Have you ever thought that this is because EVERYONE liked and respected the gent? He did an excellent job and there was no reason to let him go. There is a lot more to be told here and the office made up a reason to get rid of him.

" - 1 Case of suspected late drinking that was correctly reported and no clear evidence of unfair treatment of the subject." Sorry but you do not report someone due to suspicions, you report them when you are sure that there is a violation and you have proof. Doing this to someone's career is not right. This action was not correct and the person doing the reporting apologised later from what I heard. Are you a flight crew member? You sure sound like someone in the office and not flight crew.

"The spirit of what PPrune used to be like?" You mean that you want to live in the past and not the present? EJME is a fair place to work but please do not blow smoke up people's skirts. This place has big problems and until its corrected by getting a good CP who actually flies an airplane and not a desk, its going to continue to spiral downwards. The last two CP's left the position because they were not backed by the company and people like HA kept going around them, which will never work. Until this stops it will never change.

My question is, you say that you know people inside EJME. You seem to get a lot of info from these people and you say that do not even work there. Why is it that you are the "Champion of EJME" all of a sudden, especially with so few posts. Sure feels like a member of EJME management posting in the blind.

360,

Totally agree with your (and CD's) comments and would love to see a full investigation of EJME. Its one thing for a member of management to take over the CP position for a month or two but no longer, especially when the person who is now in charge cannot legally hold that position, its not correct. HA does not have a medical nor current ATPL so as we understand it he cannot hold the CP position.

We keep being told that a new CP has been hired and is "on the way here." Thats pure BS as we keep being told this story and it does not take forever to give your notice and go to a new company. Something else is going on here.


FT

Green Acres,

I don't know what conditions you are on because I don't know what your take home pay is. Sure it is none of my business. Your mother maybe paying EJME to keep you there for all I know.

EJME
 

EJME has been having these problems for years and it is now exacerbated by their tremendous growth.

The point that everyone seems to be missing in my opinion, is that all of these problems are a direct result of poor management at the upper echelons of EJME. For example, it is not fair to blame HA because HA's bosses should not have allowed him to assume the acting position of Chief Pilot. At the end of the day all of these events are happening on one guy's watch, the ultimate authority at EJME.

An experienced and strong Chief Pilot is needed at EJME, again. They have had this in the past but he was not supported by upper management and resigned his position. The upper management at EJME do not to my knowledge have a strong operations background so hopefully they will find an individual with this experience and trust and support him to a point of not micro-managing or interfering with him.

As an individual that has knowledge of EJME I might also suggest that they focus a bit more on customer service and not get caught up in this more is better attitude. It would be better in my mind to manage 5 airplanes properly than 10 airplanes improperly, less your reputation suffer. If you go form 5 to 10 airplanes then staff for the expansion. For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed.

In addition, it is definitely shocking to see 5 plus ACASS pilots at the JW Marriot at any given time contracted to EJME (at least one that did not fly for a month). These excessive costs are passed on to the owner which is wrong. If EJME would just offer industry average salaries and benefits, such as business class travel they would save considerable money for the owners. It is almost always cheaper to spend the money for retention than for replacement.

I truly feel that EJME has already capitalized on an excellent opportunity in this expanding market and I hope that they continue to shine but they will only do so at the strength of their people.

Sohat,

Very good post and I lean towards agreeing with most of what you said.

"For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed."

Do you know that its about to get much worse in this department? I just heard a rumour that one of the top EJME engineers has been hired to replace the manager for the Indian gent who owns the RJ & 605 that the company manages.

Evidently the old aviation dept manager was in a car versus bike accident and is paralyzed from the waist down, so they had to find someone to take this over. Hiring someone from EJME to fill this slot was not the best option IMHO but evidently its already been done and he leaves the company in a month or less, leaving EJME in an even worse condition in the maintenance department.

FlatTwin sounds like you are a very p***off pilot working for EJME I can Give a very simple answer to your problem(PACK UP AND LEAVE) why the Hell are you still here?

GS

p.s. Don't get me started on that guy that was fired:hmm:

Please, if you know why he was fired, let us know. Letting someone go for a trumped up reason is not fair, and that is what EJME did with this guy. The companies lying to everyone about his being let go for something that happened almost 3 months ago is not fair. Every pilot I have run into at work said that he was very nice to work and fly with, so if you know otherwise post it.

Pissed off? Well, when someone screws with your future in a place that used to be a lot better place to work at, guess you could say that!

FT

FlatTwin

I dont know why your friend was fired BUT i can tell you this: with the Pilot market being the way it is now(no 604/605 pilots) no company can Afford to loose one!! he must have done somthing to really piss them off.
To you he might seem like a nice guy to have a few beers with at the Marriott bar BUt none of us will know what that guy is like to fly
With!!
Don,t know how long you have been working for them but i have been at EJME for almost 5 years now and never seen them take action like that Without a good reason to back it up with.

So before ypou start calling people names go back to your friend and ask Him what he really did.

First off, he was not my friend. I fly a different airplane than the one he was flying. I had seen him in the office, thats it.

You sounded like you knew everything about what happened and now nothing? Why so cocksure of yourself and what happened and now you will not talk about it?

Again I did not fly the airplane he does but firing someone for something that happened almost 3 months ago is not right. From what I have heard UAE law states that it has to happen with 2-4 weeks.

They might have had good reason in the past but it sure looks like they mucked it up this time.

One more thing
I think that EJME will stay as # 1 in the middle east for a very long time
Simply because they do things the right way..:ok:


Keep it up boys well done :D

See EJME are advertising for a "chief pilot." So much for promotion from within.

Anyone in their right mind who already works with EJME would not want the position is probably the reason!

Why did they wait for 3-4 months to start looking and put an advertisment out there? Wonder if this thread and someone's comment of an investigation started something?

Probably. It's the only language some of these people understand, a gun to the head.

are they still looking for CP
 

I know three guys who applied, and were promised that they were well qualified.................but no follow up...............

never mind...............glf

The problem and solution here still revolves around the competence of management, specifically HA and RL. Although all of our backgrounds have been scrutinized by them, we have NO IDEA what THEIR qualifications are, pro or con. Although we all want to believe that the people bounding us into the heavens know their stuff, some incredibly stupid decisions to come out of that office in the past few months. Some have been covered here and some have not....

My favorite so far (that has not been mentioned here) was the Lear 60 crew tasked for a Basra trip by HA two weeks after the British pulled out! CNN reported that the city was being overrun by rebels as dispatch was preparing the flight plan.......

We all have our horror stories. The point is if we no confidence in these guys, we should do something about it. To be proactive, I propose to start a fund (nevermind, I'll fund it myself) to hire an investigation company to verify HA's credentials, both here and his motherland. Then do the same with RL.

If they can pass the same muster we have to, then all the better. If not, let's hand over the documents to higher management and see what happens.

OH that is really ugly indeed. Sounds like you are "bound" by imbeciles.

Depending on the mother land, it should not be too difficult to get a back ground check carried out quiet quickly.

Bad Taste
 

I must say, some of these posts are in bad taste and reflect negatively on crew as well as company.

To those that have a problem with the company that you work for, be it ExecuJet ME or any other; if it is as bad as you say - LEAVE.

If not, the least that you can do is to behave as professional as you THINK you are.

To be honest, my impression of you guys after what I have read - there is no way I will put my family on a plane crewed by you lot...

I really hope that I do not run into any of you guys, in the cockpit, because it must be a really ****ty place to be...

Request FL510

Jolly good stuff.

If you are even thinking about requesting "FL 510" I wouldn't want a member of my family anywhere near an aircraft that you are in charge of.

Only dreaming
 

Joehunt

Only dreaming of getting there (FL510 that is). I'm way down in the dumps, I mean bumps; at least most of the time.

Hope to be given the opportunity though, one day.

competence of HA
 

As promised, a background investigation had begun on XX. To date, the following has been uncovered from those who know him and worked with him:

He spent 10 years as a Copenhagen cop and decided aviation was the career for him. He went to flight school and eventually obtained a commercial/instrument license with a multi-engine rating. Queries to the CAA in Denmark have not been able to verify that so far but we know from those that worked with him then that he did fly as a first officer only for 400 hours. Never a captain.

The disconcerting part is that the GCA mandates that individuals may not be CP postholders unless they hold a type rating and are current on at least one aircraft in the fleet.

Any XX defenders out there care to explain that? GA or Vert?

Chinny is spot on.
Personality Butchering attempts like seen on this thread are absolutely disgusting. :mad:
Man up or shut up.

O