Is there anybody that actually works for Netjets that can say anything usefull

Cause i'me under the oppinion that only Netjets rejects are the ones that have something (negative) to say.

pd

The Real NetJets Story
 

I work for NetJets as a Co-pilot on the Bravo.

It is a well run company, ops (generally) get it right and the do work us hard when on tour. When off, mostly for 5 days (sometimes 4 days and sometimes 7 days off) we are left alone.

Management are very hard working and value the pilots, despite being hundreds of miles from Lisbon I feel part of the NetJets Team.

The company will back the pilots up to the hilt if you are honest but if you are dishonest or have the wrong attitude you will go. No hire fire policy that I've seen.

Early command for the right people, and fleet changes for others if they have insufficient total time.

There are a mix of people in the company, some with 1500 hrs and come from GA or others with national carrier airline backgrounds.

I do not know of anyone who is planning to leave, people do go, mainly because of the 6 day tours away from home.

The pay is ok, not great, £25 000 basic plus per diems but I am getting some quality jet time and I have a GREAT TIME when on tour.

I'm really sorry if you haven't been selected to join the company, but don't slag us off. Re-apply and keep intouch with HR. Those who are thinking about applying, it's worth a look and it may suit you.

PD.....Flintstone who is apparently still a Netjets employee wasn't all that positive about the company awhile ago!!!!:cool:

Ok so what was flintstones problem?

PD

:confused: Can some-one tell me what all the rhetoric is about?
I have just been turned down after interview but I fail to see what all the s*#t is about-surely it would be better to have a job than than not ,esp in this environment.I have a couple of mates there who are having a great time!!!
Something is better than nothing-it is for me!

AciveWP

"Nasty american culture in NJE." American culture - mostly yes Nasty - no

"The damage they're doing to the charter business in europe is huge." Sounds to me like we're doing a great job then! Sour Grapes?

"Employees treated badly etc" I agree with MJ and Captain Crash. No company is perfect but there are a lot of people working hard to improve this one and if charter businesses go broke tough - its called competition.

For those that complain on this forum about the company what have YOU done to try to improve it? I'm not naive enough to realise that there aren't problems but you show me a company that is growing this fast that doesn't?

To me the answer is really simple if you don't like the company - resign and if you haven't got the balls then shut up or at least make your posts balanced.

For those reading this still looking for work please don't be put off because the one word that can NEVER be used for our flying is "boring"

I don't know what their staff relations are like but I have known people, experienced and type rated, who have applied till they are blue in the face.

So what, I hear you say?

Problem is they don't appear to be able to muster up enough common courtesy to even reply to these people. Surely, this must give an insight into their general attitude towards employees, prospective or other wise. I have certainly been "put off."

At the very minimum, Flexjet jet Europe would do their best and reply to an application. A dam shame they pulled out of Europe as they would have given NJ a run for their money.

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Everything mentioned in these threads is as true today as it was then.
Capt crash: who are you ? Do you have eyes ? And if so open them and do not try to cloud the vision of other people.

Mike jenvey: You have been hired so recently that you can hardly speak for us at Netjets. Wait till the high season brings the first bullyings your way !

Wrong Sisters: No company is perfect but there are a lot of people working hard to improve this one

Name one ! You are surely not talking about those people who will get teir huge bonusses at the end of the year are you ?

No hire and fire ? What a laugh !
No chance to experience the ejection seat in civilian flying ? Try Netjets.

For those of you that are upset for not even having recieved a polite denial of your application: the comtempt of NJ towards their pilots is just as bad.

Quite a thread this one!! Started as a request for info on the Netjets interview and its back to the pros and cons of NJE!! Its certainly stirring up a lot of feeling and I suppose might be important.
WS : I realise that the concept of american and culture are mutually exclusive so perhaps I shouldn't have written that. But nasty it certainly is!
I don't accept that NJE is fair competition. They cannot make a profit operating the way they do - how much is Warren Buffet losing a month? When he pulls the plug, I wonder how the local markets will take up the flotsam.
I'll bet the flying isn't boring - being bounced off the runway at Aberdeen has to be fun!
What you've got is an american billionaire pumping cash into a loss making enterprise, operating under a flag of convenience, buying aircraft at discount prices. I guess thats where any potential profit will come from - when it folds and the aircraft are sold.:yuk:

Well Mike, if you were contacted one day after submitting you resume, you are obviously are of "the right stuff". Well done.

What are they looking for then? Airforce, Airline or NASA backgrounds? Would help if we knew, then we wouldn't waste our and Netjets time, submitting a resume in a futile application to an outfit that is beyond the reach of us mortals.

I don't recall NJE giving me the impression they would not reply to to an application to unsucessful candiates, in their latest advertizement for pilots.

activewaypiont may have been right (dunno when we spoke,but take it all in perspective, please).

Are Netets perfect? No.

Is anyone else....? I'll leave you to answer that.

For the greater part 6 on/ 5 off is the norm.

Am I happy? For the greater part, yes.

I'd rather be doing this than shuttliing back and forth between the same two airports.

Are they going places? I bloody hope so or I've hitched up to the wrong wagon. Soon find out though, eh?

Am I blind to the real world? Well, I suppose you have to decide upon who's outside looking in. I'm (fortunately) for now looking out but that can change.

All I can say is that if Uncle Warren is prepared to keep pumping the money in I'm more than glad to keep flying his brand new
aircraft.

The really annoying thing is how they deal with applications (as in, ignore them). We, already working here, know this but resources are limited. I'll tell those in the know but don't hold your breath.

Joking aside, it ain't such a bad place to be. Sure, **** happens and we all cop some from time to time but the gamble might be worth it. If it turns out not to be I'm sure someone will let me know.

activewaypoint I think we're long past due a beer mate. S

For all of you wondering what you need to join net jets-
On my initial course, all of us had 2500-3500 hours ie. we all had the amount of hours for an upgrade to captaincy.

For those asking why you didn't get any reply, I was told there were 2000+ CVs for one advert- and for only two people initially sorting out these CVs, it would take alot of time to reply to them all.

Hi GashShag, did you say 2500-3500 hrs.?. Just got my PFO letter with 5000hrs. airline jet time, they said I was not "competitive" enough for the European market, what ever that means . All these after a personal talk (yes, I went over to Oeiras exclusively to talk to him) with Mr. Carlos Costa (do you recall this name or do I have to explain?) in which he promised that "of course" I would be interviewed ... LAST SEPTEMBER!!.
So have fun in your NJE but as far as I am cocerned ...
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
Fly Safe

That means that with 5000 hrs airline time you are just To damn expensive

PD

Mr. B 767-300

Why don't you tell us about a day in your life, when you are out working. Then we'll have one of us bizjet pilots tell you about our work day. Then you'll proberbly find out why NetJets diden't call you for an interview. ( I know the shoulden't have lied to you)

I myself got an interview two weeks after I applied (wich saddly I screwd up). But thats life, hopefully I'll do a better job next time. Buy the way I'm not eaven close to 5000h, not eaven one hour of widebody time.

BF

Mr. BitterFlex,
the whole point of my letter was: "hey, play fair". If they don't want experienced pilots at NJE just put a minimum of flight hours in your advertisement and A MAXIMUM. Of course writting up a maximum doesn't sell too well in terms of safety, does it?. Also if they don't want airline pilots, just let it know. I just want to know if I can have an access to that job, and if I can't ... I just don't send my CV and everybody is happy.
Secondly, don't make the mistake of thinking that working for an airline is the same thing as working for a major. Not everywhere pilots get excellent pays, pension plans, free travel tickets ... . I assesed my self and believe me, if I wanted to switch to NJE is because it was worth it.
You screwed at the interview?, you've never flown a wide body? hard luck pal, what can I do about that?
Fly Safe

dear B767-300,

all your statements are guesses. I don't know NJE recruitment policy exactly but I know they want a good mix of different kinds of aviation and different levels of experience. I got in with 5000+ hours being an airline captain as well. When I applied I got a phonecall from them within a couple of days. So far, I don't regret my choice.

Hey B767-300
All I'm trying to say here is, what you'r proberbly used to, is total diffrent than NJE opperations, not talking about the aircraft. I belive if you get a direct entry captains seat you'll get to fly the old mighty Citation Bravo, wich proberbly gross out at the weight you plan for a go-around (slight exageration). I totaly agree with you that lying to your face and promesing a interview is ..... (well we no what).
I belive they woulden't mind one of these 5 to 10 tusend hour guys working for Easy or Ryan or what ever they are called. Since the type of operation is fairly simular. Quick turnarounds one to three hour flights, alot of workdays and so forth.
Be good

Just to clarify- There's lots of different experienced pilots within NetJets. I was only talking about my course. NetJets have recruited alot of pilots with "Mr 767's" experience and also pilots with 1500 hrs (as per the advert).

Latest advertisement in FI, april 1st, did anyone here get called in?

Has Netjets ever been known to employ anyone over 45? Or even 40?
 

Does Netjets have a policy against recruiting older pilots? I speak to friends with (what they imagine to be) exactly the right bizjet/customer service/airline experience, and they never hear anything in reply to their CV. Perhaps they should try again, and "accidentally" enter a younger age?

Well i am a little older than 45.

I have applied everytime the ad goes in.

You know something? I managed to extract a reply, this time around. Only the once, but it was a reply.

Cant ask for any more than that, can we?

No, my services were not required.

Of the seven candidates that attended the Tuesday morning interviews at Gatwick, three were OVER 50 !!!
I guess they wouldn't bother to interview them if they weren't prepared to employ "over 45s" would they ???

P.S. I am not a Netjets employee !!

Okay, I'm convinced, Netjets are not ageist! ~ thanks for your input.

Net Jets
 

Does anyone have the address of Net Jets UK? I've found their address in the USA and addresses in Portugal and Switzerland, but nothing for the UK.

NetJets Europe, Ltd.
2nd Floor
60 Sloane Avenue
Chelsea
London SW3 3DD
44 (0)207 590 5110
44 (0)207 590 5111 FAX


I found it on the website under 'Contact Us' :E

Specific question.

Specific answer.

According to a Netjets executive at a recent tribunal, Netjets has no assets nor any presence in the UK. This meant the UK tribunal had no jurisdiction over NJE and therefore were unable to make an award to the ex employee, despite the fact that the tribunal found in favour of the ex employee!

Perhaps the tribunal can be reconvened if NJE do have a presence in the UK.

Would the NJE executive in question be quilty of contempt if he knowingly LIED to the tribunal?

BEWARE OF NJE

Net Jets - Europe is based in Portugal and owned 49% by Portuguese Airline, Air Luxor.

AIRWAY

if what you say is true then you are confirming that one of your bosses in Lisbon did knowingly attempt to mislead the industrial tribunal.

That would be an offence and make him liable to prosecution.

NJE claim to have zero presence in Europe when it comes to legal matters. Bear that in mind if you ever are in conflict with them!

'zero presence in Europe '
 

Its does seem astonishing that with Portuguese registration, a Portuguese ops set up, employing several hundred Europeans, that any Company can claim to have a zero presence in Europe .

Maybe bluesafrica with all that understanding and wisdom could enlighten us ? or anyone else for that matter.........

' based in Portugal '
 

Another every so slightly telling statement about a presence in Europe may just be -

a quotation from this very thread ..

"The company is based in Portugal. If you are looking for a pilot job, try:

[email protected]

Pilot Recruitment
Netjets
Avenida Das Descobertas
Galerias Alto Da Barra Piso 4
2780 053
Oeiras
PORTUGAL

Fax: +351 21 446 8455 "

from non other than that master of getting personal, mike jenvey

Thanks for that info Mike, great stuff.

Jeez, for the sake of safety I thought everybody in this industry got on together. A bit of a worry if your a customer, or a passenger.

Dear Activewaypoint,

You should know that Portuguese flag is not a flag of convinience. I happen to know something from Portuguese Authorities and they are as competent as anyone else in EU. Please, rest assured that all NJE airplanes are properly insured and they are denitively in better position to stand behind their product than any other European Air Taxi operator today.

The fact still remains that without NJE, Europe was having several 1-2 old airplane operators using mainly free lance pilots.
I am afraid that the fact is that it is commercially not possible or feasable to operate with modern airplanes in Europe. Period.
NJE economics must be based also for the fact that they do need operation in Europe to support existing customers from US as well as some European customers that do not like to fly with those " Fred´s Friendly Air Service" airplanes because they can have a brand new jet and properly trained crew for the same money.
Well , that´s it and it wouldn´t help if pilot´s keep crying good old times back... That´s why I like to retire too!
Blues:ok:

flag of convenience- a definition
 

Here's one definition -

"Definition of a Flag of Convenience (FOC)
235. The ITF defines Flags of Convenience as:

"Where the beneficial ownership and control of a vessel is found to lie elsewhere than in the country of the flag the vessel is flying, the vessel is considered as sailing under a flag of convenience. In cases, however, where the identification of the beneficial owner is not clear, any vessel where there is no genuine link between the flag state and the person(s), or corporate entity, with effective control over the operation of the vessel shall be considered as sailing under an FOC".

236. Any register can be declared an FOC on the basis that the majority of the vessels on the register are not beneficially owned and controlled within the flag state.

237. For the purposes of ITF policy, effective control is taken to mean the control exercised by the entity (ie a person(s) or corporation) being held responsible by the flag state for the actions of the vessel and fulfilling its obligations to abide by the law of the flag state. In so defining "effective control" and where the beneficial ownership is unclear, the ITF shall take account of the operator, the charterers and the ship managers in that order. "


Obviously it is defined here for merchant shipping, but, personally, I feel that one can draw parallels.

Its interesting that the phrase ' beneficial interest ' appears.

"ITF" = International Transport Workers Federation.

According to JAA regs. the aircraft operating under an AOC must be of the same national register as the issuing authority of the AOC. Netjets Chose Portugal, Flexjet, when they operated, chose Denmark.
If I were to start a business, I would also choose the best place for my investment to grow, which is what I'm sure Netjets did. They needed a EU member country as base.
The EU is after all a common market.
The discussion wether Portugal is this or that doesen't really matter in the end, as all these countries will have to comply with JAA regs. in the end.
When it comes to wether the company has a precence in the UK or not I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The employment contract will usually specify which court is the authority in disputes, and one would think this would be in Portugal. If anything, Portugal being a EU member, the dispute can be brought to Brussels.
As I have said before. Read the contract before you sign it, then live with it for better or for worse, or simply get out.

O
;)

Can anyone out there answer a couple of queries for a pal . Rumoursville has it that Net Jets takes direct entry commanders , pays them circa 70k , guarantees them 6 days working and 5 days off , and positions them to and from Portugal and home . Is this true or fantasy ?

Macfloppy........the most recent upgrade to command was on the Falcon core fleet........the certain individual from start of indoc to command upgrade took 2.5 months........and IMHO that was even too long for this particular individual, fantastic fellow and very experienced.....70k a year depends on which aircraft type you are assigned as commander and if you're into opening champers and brown nosing your pax the job will suit you well........keep in mind though safety is your foremost responsibility as one NJE crew who where intercepted can attest to.......6 on 5 off is ideally the way things should proceed but in the biz world Nothing is written in stone.............the contract should you sign it, is unenforceable and since you are paid in the IOM litigation due violations of the contract are hard to persue should you have a need to do so..............basically they don't need a reason to fire you and being none unionized you haven't a flamingo leg to stand on.........right or wrong, these are the facts and some pilots are quite happy with these conditions because they have no choice, .....they are quite happt to sign most any contract as thay have little or no glass time or knowledge of airline ops......they are quite flexible individuals though driven by the need for :suspect:........positioning to and from home base is the norm but anything can change;)

Jammers, would it be possible to know what type of falcon are you refering?
If it's the 2000, then you are completly wrong. The latest having done the upgrade flew for 9 months before being upgaded. And no, it was not too long. And they did not requested anything special as you suggest.
You should know as well that most of the pilots join on the other fleets and usually uprade on the aircraft they fly (which make sens economicly).
Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline". That's just a choice of live. 6/5 sonds much better to me than being away for 20-25 days a month like some om my friends living aboard.....


Happy ldgs to everybody.

Dear Tophe,
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Macfloppy........the most recent upgrade to command was on the Falcon core fleet........the certain individual from start of indoc to command upgrade took 2.5 months
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As you may have not noticed from my previous post I make specific mention to core fleet. Core fleet (as you know or probably don't know) is the Falcon 50/900.......one thing you're right about is that SOME pilots do choose to fly for NJE experienced or not, what I am saying is that for the furloughed pilots flying for NJE they most certainly return to their former airline once recalled e.g. SAS ........
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline".
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I never said these pilot's are "too bad", just simply that they do not possess the neccessary 'Glass' cockpit time or type ratings to join the airlines :ok:

The one thing you are right about is that at the end of the day it's all about QUALITY OF LIFE.