TWINJET info please
 

Hi,

Can any person please provide details of the above operation. I have an interview as a A319CJ Captain.

Salary, T & C

What the co is like, fun, interesting etc

Plans for the future, more a/c, BBJ, GV etc

Thanks in advance for any info

Twinjet Challenger 604
 

Twinjet are advertising today in flight for Challenger 604 crew. Can anyone tell me anything about this company? What they are like to work for? Pay? Conditions etc?

Many thanks. S

Are they UK reg or Bermuda or ??

Saw someone in the middle east looking for experienced 604 crew but the guy they are flying is difficult to work with. Hired and fired at least 20 pilots in the last 2 years.

CD

Didn't Twinjet previously operate a CL604 for a large shipping company a few years back?

I believe their (TWJ) current fleet is two A319CJ (one for sale & one being outfitted in Hamburg) & two ERJ135 Legacies

FC

Is the VIP 727 P4-SKI still with Twinjet ?

Nope, it isn't...!

Speaking of VIP 727s, I applied to be F/O on 727 P4-JLD and was told I needed 2000 Turbine ME PIC or 800FE to fly the panel. This despite the fact that my Dad knows the owner of the airplane and I am of the same ethnic origin as the other pilots. I was given insurance requirements as the reason for the minima. A few months later I found out they're self-insured.

P4-SKI
 

Is not P4-SKI ... Some problems in Beirut..
Now is HZ-SKI ... Going down????:\

Not sure I understand the rationale behind your argument. Just because an aircraft owner provides the insurance it doesn't remove any hours restrictions which the underwriters might stipulate.

As for your belief that being of the same ethnic origin as the rest of the crew (not sure I understand the relevance of that? ever heard of CRM?) and that your Dad knows the owner guarantees you a job in the RHS, I think you might need to have a moment of reality...

Nothing guarantees anything. But one would think a common language besides English would help. As for CRM, I bet I've heard a good deal more about it than you have.

S-NLB, I think. Not worthy of response.

:yuk:

'69

What's S-NLB?

Wasn't really spoiling for a fight, merely pointing out that nepotism doesn't really work much these days (apart from in BA).

Don't know what S-NLB is, but I'm pretty much hoping it's nothing too un-PC...

Seems like you two have kissed & made up, so no point explaining S-NLB. Irrelevant now ;)

:)

'69

If anybody is still interested in the thread, I believe Twinjet would be prepared to pay in the region of £68,000 pa for a 604 Captain. I do not know who owns the aircraft but as is their way, it will probably do a lot of ad hoc charter work at short notice. Seems they are becoming increasingly desperate as they now state their willingness to type rate.

I have heard mixed reports as to what they are like to work for but mostly not positive.

They apparently used to operate a Challenger that belonged to P&O (a shipping company!!)

Any need for an F/O?

Making jet time a requirement is a little daft. Airlines such as Virgin do it, but that is simply to provide an additional filter in the recruitment process to cut down on applicants, which doesn't appear to be a problem for Twinjet. It's not as if the CL604 is a heavy aeroplane either. Twinjet's HR people probably just need to a little reality check in the current recruitment market.

RAFAT
 

I disagree, if I were lucky enough to buy my own jet I sure would like to know that my pilots had jet experience, could save me a lot of money.

Twinjet
 

Anyone care to comment on Twinjet in London.
They have been looking for 604 guys for permanent/contract employment for a long time now...
Are they adding new a/c all the time or are the continiously loosing pilots?

Adding more aircraft...

Anybody have any details about them?.... currently a JAA/FAA 604 captain living next to stansted and am considering a job change.

Good, solid operation. Well paid I believe and good Terms and conditions.

http://www.twinjet.co.uk/careers.htm

Try here, they are recruiting.

LR driver
 

Twinjet are a very good bunch from John K. & Steve W. down. Try them, you'll be welcomed I'm sure.

Times are changing
 

Twinjet is becoming a place to work. Change is happening fast and it be fair to say that they are having growing pains but no different from everyone else in the industry. Everyone there will paint a true picture of what is going on and that is refreshing as by doing this you can put the problems right.....

There is a great bunch of people at the place and the flight operations management especially are working hard to bring the best qualities of working for an airline to a GA operator. However, overall even within the company, a team is developing and working well together.

The crew are not exposed to most of the goings ons as the management will fight your corner if there is an issue. Rosters are produced but the nature of the work means it is hard to predict what is going to happen. However, many agreements are being introduced to make things better and combat commercial pressure so you also have a life. Its not perfect yet but it is improving every day little by little.

It has a long road ahead to fix and implement all that needs doing but the resources, backing and the interest from clients to put aircraft with the company means it has a future. This is one of the reasons many of the staff are sticking with it. Other job offers are about for all current staff, but knowing how hard everyone is and has been working makes it all at the moment worth while.

So markwheety, a year on what do you think now?????????????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Comments?

:}

Is that embalming fluid I can smell?

Stressfree... How many comments would you like??

And Another thing!!!!!!..........

Flintstone,
You cynical old thing - you're not suggesting something has died are you??? Can't imagine why........:E

Touchdown,
Hmmmmm I think I know who you are :eek:


Seems like Markwheety is staying rather quiet - gone are the gushing compliments about this firm - perhaps he's rather embarassed to have got it all so wrong :rolleyes:

Markwheety must be back in the closet hiding....

I was thinking more along the lines of thread exhumation. Burke and Hare!:E

Flinty,
Translation needed old chap - whats a 'Burke and Hare', forgive my ignorance. Thread brought back to life by popular demand in 'certain' circles........ please give generously, this is a good cause :eek:

Also Kitekruncher whats all this about a 'closet' - sounds dodgy to me, something you want to share with us? Perhaps not - it may be unpalatable :E

Hmmmm, all very suspect :yuk:

Obvious to .....
 

If the forum writers all seem to know something, but no one writes anythng other than innuendo....well....it is hard to get a grip on things. From all the somewhat snide comments, I get the impression that the company is either gone out of business (although they are advertising) or is so terrible to work for, that no one would consider them. So what is it all you people in the know? Those of us who are not, would like to be, before sending an application off!

Breathlessly waiting for "the word."

Stockholm

Sorry Stress Free, I'm getting a bit cryptic in my old age :confused:

Burke and Hare were bodysnatchers who opened up fresh graves and sold the bodies. I thought they were well known but obviously I've been reading the 'wrong' sort of books :E

By the way, I was referring solely to the thread itself with no comment on the company involved about whom I know absolutely nothing. Here's a quick link for the edjimacation of anyone who's interested.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare

Flinty,:=
trust you to stir up trouble where there wasn't any:E:ouch:

Keeping Quiet
 

Hi all

Been keeping quiet as not been on the site for a while!

Im not embarassed by the situation at Twinjet, more completely dissapointed.

We came so far until around July / August last year and were making head way. For the first time in years we had an excellent reputation with the CAA and were doing things by the book and properly and business was growing at a record rate.

And Now.....

Due to the normal crap at the top with management refusing too actually make decisions and invest in their staff the spiral of decline has begun...

More crew than ever before are leaving and management still dont think the problem is with them. They will need a building on its own to store the archived crew fiiles soon!!! It is purely banging you head against a brick wall trying to talk to any of them.

Most staff are miserable and are desperate to leave, amazingly most dont work there for the goodness of their health but to make a living (Top tip if management ever read this!!) and still the management rely on favours and goodwill. What favours you did yesterday, was yesterday and thats that and screw you if you want one in return. Management dont really know this, because they dont speak to their staff and when they do they go off on a :mad: detour.

I know the GA industry generally has the same type of operators but until October this year everone was sticking with it at Twinjet, then the mass exit began with people losing faith that all promises from earlier in teh year were empty.

They are losing the chief pilot (the best they have had - a guy with more experience than most and one they should start listening too before its too late) but they are arrogant enough to believe again that the problem is his. They get the hopes up of others they are suitable to be chief pilot when they are not... I would not be surprised if they asked one of the cabin to be chief pilot next!!

They have lost all but 2 of the crew on one fleet, and the other fleet is losing crew fast. Only one fleet in the company is stable as it is the only fleet which has ever been crewed at the minimum level of crew.

And the future....

Twinjet stand a chance if they do start to listen. Im not saying it will be with the current staff, they like high turnover of staff as they see it as a way of not having to pay increases in wages... However, when management were asked if they ever incorporate the training, recruitment and admin costs of recruiting a new pilot / staff member into their yearly budget... the room went silient. :mad: idiots.

They do now have a new CEO and hopefully he will stop this spiral of decline... In fact he should hit his targets as the company has hit rock bottom, so the only way is up!!!

As for me, I am one who has left for pastures new now, my time of waking up in the middle of the night worrying about things is over. So did I get it wrong with my comments a year ago? No I dont think so like others in the company, I believed that Twinjet actually wanted to grow and do things right. Its more naivety on my part.

And in finishing...

The other half asked me yesterday would I go back if offered

the response....

would I :mad:, I have learnt that lesson!! :rolleyes:

Well, maybe there is - I think Flinty could have been speaking about the company or the thread! Either way it looks like he was right!! :D

Oh no you don't! I'm quite capable of getting myself into a scrap without being dragged into this one :sad:

Sorry Flinty, I was not dragging you anywhere, merely suggesting that you accidentally hit the nail on its proverbial head as it turns out!! Are you psychic maybe?

Either way, it appears that they have lost a lot of pilots recently and noticing that they are constantly advertising for more, things are not looking good there at the moment. Maybe if they listen to the people at the bottom of the food chain (their pilots) they might have a fighting chance. I imagine they could be a very good company again if the management and bean counters will allow it. Seems like they have to gain a lot of faith and trust first though. :ugh:

My name should really be EX-twinjetter, but I like it, so it's stuck.

Mark. Good to hear your response. A well put defence to the less worthy banter about what is without doubt a most serious matter to those involved.

I was one of the first of what is apparently a growing groundswell who jumped without knowing what was at the bottom. I was fortunate to have a soft landing.

I am not posting to either flame or defend TWJ. I can name many committed professionals there who I consider it a pleasure to have known and worked with.

I can also name a much smaller but significantly more influencial group of people who care for only one thing; themselves. These few are killing (perhaps have already killed?) a great little company that did once have the potential to go far.

I wish most of those left behind to muddle on through all the very best; but be warned the exodus is by no means complete. Sadly, those who don't deserve to be saved will be the first ones pushing their way to the lifeboats when it all starts to sink; whilst the good guys stoically play "Nearer My God to Thee...." on deck 'til they dissappear beneath the swell.......

All I can say by way of solace to the band is that there really IS life after TWJ.

Cheers

EX - TWJ

Being Quiet Continued...