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lomapaseo 31st Dec 2005 12:40


Given the nature of the defect that apparently initated the crack, why is the inspection limited to Turbo Mallards? Why not R-1340 powered ones?

(I could even ask - why limited to Mallards?)

The AD is temporary in nature (data gathering) and only a start. As the data becomes available expect more updates.

A little bit like the B747 pylon issue. We asked the same questions then. Why stop at the B747? With time the answer became clearer as more than a few folks offered up data beyond the B747 giving us back a warm feeling.

barit1 31st Dec 2005 16:57

My initial impression is that the hole was drilled by a dunce, and is a one-off misstep in someone's poorly-controlled shop. But it could be intentional (sabotage), in which case one would have no reason to suspect only Turbo Mallards.

Perhaps the sleuths can give some estimate of the age of the hole, and that could focus the investigation further. One might surmise that's what's happening now.

Big Pistons Forever 3rd Jan 2006 17:52

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
The Emergency AD applies to all models of the Mallard. It looks like a bitch because in addition to the spar inspections, all of the skin in the wet bay between the engine and fuselage has to be inspected. This means all the tank sealant has to be stripped, not a nice job.

PaperTiger 3rd Jan 2006 18:39

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 

Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
The Emergency AD applies to all models of the Mallard.

It does ? Are you talking about the FAA's AD or has Canada issued a different one ?

2006-01-51 12/30/2005 Emergency AD: Frakes Aviation (Gulfstream American) Model G-73 (Mallard) series airplanes; and Model G-73 airplanes that have been converted to have turbine engines
No piston Mallards that I can see.

Big Pistons Forever 4th Jan 2006 00:41

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
The G-73 is a piston Mallard. The turbine one is a G-73T. I believe that Frakes now owns the type certificate for all versions of the Mallard. In any case as far as Transport Canada is concerned it applies to all Mallard.

AntiCrash 4th Jan 2006 03:18

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
The pictures posted on the NTSB website depict the worst butchering of a spar angle I have seen to date. The rivet where the angle failed had a converging binnocular hole at an angle, the fastner outboard of that had a tail not bucked properly. It, also was at an angle. This is the worst mess I have seen on "anything" much less on a flying aircraft. Just shamefull.

The first lawsuit was filed today for $50 million, someone is in it for this. I pray they can find the rest of the handywork by this chap before another tragedy impacts the flying public.



Terrible shame this...

barit1 4th Jan 2006 12:00

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 

2006-01-51 12/30/2005 Emergency AD: Frakes Aviation (Gulfstream American) Model G-73 (Mallard) series airplanes...
I find this MOST ambiguous, confusing, and absurd. Under this rule of nomenclature, a Dakota would be identified today as a Boeing DC-3.

:yuk:

AntiCrash 4th Jan 2006 13:13

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
Actually I believe that it would be called "Boeing MD DC-3".

seacue 10th Jan 2006 00:22

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel newspaper says that the NTSB issued a report today that says there were also fatigue cracks in the left wing of the Mallard that crashed.
http://tinyurl.com/aa67z

Editied to add:
Sorry for posting an old report that the journo seemed to think was just off the press.
Further edited:
...and it was. See AntiCrash.

Volume 10th Jan 2006 06:04

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
Not really new news, the preliminary NTSB Report dated December 19th states

Preliminary metallurgical examination has located evidence of fatigue cracking in the lower rear wing spar cap, along the lower wing skin, and on an internal z-stringer. Additional evidence of fatigue cracking has been noted in the corresponding area on the left wing.
Does anyone know, from which material the lower spar flanges are made on a Mallard ? I suppose it is some corrosion resistant type from the 5000 or 6000 series of aluminum alloys. These are not really good with respect to fatigue, while most of the alloys with good fatigue properties are prone to corrosion.

matkat 10th Jan 2006 08:32

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 

Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
The G-73 is a piston Mallard. The turbine one is a G-73T. I believe that Frakes now owns the type certificate for all versions of the Mallard. In any case as far as Transport Canada is concerned it applies to all Mallard.

Having read and evaluated the AD(its My job)I can tell You that this AD will apply to ANY Mallard worldwide as the aircraft was built in the US and the AD was issued by the FAA this means that the AD MUST be complied with as it is issued by the state of manufacture.

AntiCrash 10th Jan 2006 13:47

Re: Seaplane down off Miami Beach
 
NTSB Preliminary report issued today (10-01-2006) indicates that the aircraft had cracks in both wings.

OVERTALK 22nd Jan 2006 07:30

Very Relevant in Parts
 
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/pape...oCommander.pdf

The Story Behind 24 Aero Commander airborne wing-sheddings (by 1995) with a total of a further 35 a/c found, on the ground, to have cracked main-spars.


"Despite their robust appearance, at last count 24 Aero Commanders had lost wings in flight, 35 spars had been found cracked on the ground, and hundreds of other spars had defects caused by:
fatigue
corrosion
stress corrosion
static overload


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