Citation Rating

[Chippie Chappie]

Hello all,

I wondered if anyone out there can help me regarding Citation ratings. I'm interested in which Citation ratings cover more than one model.

I'm particularly interested in the cost of a 525 and 560 ratings. Will the 560 cover the 525 (or is it only types such as the 560 and 560XL), and if not, is there sufficient commonality between the ratings such that if they were done at the same time, the total cost would be cheaper?

Thanks in advance,

CC

[727 exec]

Sorry - can't help with the costs...suggest a look at the Flight Safety website.

The FAA (and I think the JAA) group the 500/550/560 as one type rating...although you might (?) also have to do an EFIS course if you were to fly a 550 Bravo or one of the other glass cockpit variants.

The 525 is a separate type - don't know if the CJ2 will be the same type rating as the CJ1.

The Excel is also a separate type rating.

Good luck - I'd suggest picking the type that you're likely to get to fly...it could be a long and expensive process otherwise!

[Chippie Chappie]

727exec

Thanks for that info. The situation is that the company has one and may be getting a different type so really just trying to work out the cheapest way to get both.

Cheers,

Chip

[jerseymilkman]

The 500/550/560 (including the 560 Ultra) are all the same type as far as everyone is concerned. You don't have to do an EFIS course for the 560 or Bravo - although it would be a good idea!

The Excel 560XL is a separate type, as is the 525 (original CJ). The CJ1 and CJ2 are different types.

Basically, before everyone got excited about ratings, Cessna tried to get a one-off rating to cover all types. The powers that be are making sure that every new aircraft is a different type. The only ones that get away with it are the older variants.

Depending on which type you need there are TRTO's available in the UK, and Flight Safety in Paris cover some types too.

Good luck

[Klatsch]

The story is pretty much as Jerseymilkman says, however the CJ, CJ1 and CJ2, (possibly also the new CJ3) are all covered by the same type rating C525, certainly under FAA and as far as I am aware under JAA too, at least it does not differentiate on my JAA type rating. Depending on the checkride you do at the end of the course the rating will be either single pilot or crew. If you don't have any jet or turbine time there will also be a restriction requiring a certain number of hours under the supervision of a type rated Captain before being let loose (FAA)! To complete the rating for JAA you must do 4 take-offs and landings with an examiner on the aircraft. For the 500 series, licence annotation is slightly different between the 2 authorities, but essentially means the same thing, FAA has CE500 and JAA has C500/550/560. I think I am also right in saying that your training records should show differences training for the different types within the group, eg 560 Ultra vs 560 Encore but Flight Safety International could answer such questions for you. Expect to pay about 12,000 - 14,000 USD for an initial type rating course. FAA single pilot waiver course on the 500 series is about same amount again on top of the initial type. Hope that clarifies.