Requirements for PIC on jet planes(CJ2,CJ3)
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Well, depends on the type of OPS .
If you fly CJ1, 2 or 3 private you don't need an ATPL. Not even sure you would need one under AOC either .
Another point you need to check is the insurance requirement. They would probably expect some experience in IFR or T-Prop before you captain the thing.
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If you fly CJ1, 2 or 3 private you don't need an ATPL. Not even sure you would need one under AOC either .
Another point you need to check is the insurance requirement. They would probably expect some experience in IFR or T-Prop before you captain the thing.
Cheers
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ok,this is my situation.I have about 450 hours of flying(40ME) ,but i can't get job .Luckily i've got heredity few months ago.Beacouse i love flying ,like many others here,i decide to constitute my own corporate aviation.In past months i've spoken with many owners of the similar companies,pilots...... Now i am looking for planes and any good information.Informations about''best turbo-prop or jet aircraft " ,about requirements etc.Any informations will be welcome.
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Bonjour Quazimodo
Well, are you seriously considering a direct left seat position in a CJ with your experience ? It's feasible, but you will end up miles behind the plane with that sort of background .. Unless you find an experienced safety pilot to assist you.
If I were you, I would start with turboprop, Kingair style .
Another point, according to JAR OPS, you need to have 700 Hrs Command time to be Pilot in Command under an AOC .
Sounds a good idea, anyway, wish you good luck.
If you need a typerated guy on CJ & Kingair, PM me
Well, are you seriously considering a direct left seat position in a CJ with your experience ? It's feasible, but you will end up miles behind the plane with that sort of background .. Unless you find an experienced safety pilot to assist you.
If I were you, I would start with turboprop, Kingair style .
Another point, according to JAR OPS, you need to have 700 Hrs Command time to be Pilot in Command under an AOC .
Sounds a good idea, anyway, wish you good luck.
If you need a typerated guy on CJ & Kingair, PM me
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Of course that i can't catch up CJ instantly with my experience,but i have to know everything if i want start with this job.Anyway i have friend who is capt. on CJ.
Why do you advise me for buying turboprop instead of jet plane?
And yes i will count on you
Why do you advise me for buying turboprop instead of jet plane?
And yes i will count on you
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hi Porco Rosso,
I thing no ATPL in left seat position in private it's allowed in France, in other country with the local laws you have to get the full ATPL, that's the case in Germany in private operation.
Good Day.
I thing no ATPL in left seat position in private it's allowed in France, in other country with the local laws you have to get the full ATPL, that's the case in Germany in private operation.
Good Day.
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the question is: if you spend all of your money in that citation, after the first flight will you be able to leave something in heredity, as you would probably destroy the plane!!
thake a captain for a while and let him teach you something about jet flight!! anyway if you intend do make it a businnes you will need an aoc, and a full atpl captain
thake a captain for a while and let him teach you something about jet flight!! anyway if you intend do make it a businnes you will need an aoc, and a full atpl captain
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I am not 100% but I think in UK under private ops you can even fly single crew on a ppl/ir certainly on the N reg. However I think you will find the insurance company will require around 2000 hours with up to 200 hours on type. Was certainly the case a couple of years ago when I was looking into it.
Never did figure out how you are supposed to get the 200 hours pic without flying uninsured! Insurance companies eh, only thing worse is the tax man!
Good luck
Never did figure out how you are supposed to get the 200 hours pic without flying uninsured! Insurance companies eh, only thing worse is the tax man!
Good luck
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well, things are very simple
Under private ops in Europe, to fly a CJ1 or 2 as Pic, you need a PPL with Type rating and possibly an IFR
To fly under AOC as Pic such a plane, you need a ... CPL / IR with Type rating, period . And I know that, because I am flying both private and AOC on those plane, and I don't have an ATPL yet ...
To fly a CJ3 involves an ATPL captain as the A/C MTOW is above 12500, and is considered JAR25 in Europe .
Under private ops in Europe, to fly a CJ1 or 2 as Pic, you need a PPL with Type rating and possibly an IFR
To fly under AOC as Pic such a plane, you need a ... CPL / IR with Type rating, period . And I know that, because I am flying both private and AOC on those plane, and I don't have an ATPL yet ...
To fly a CJ3 involves an ATPL captain as the A/C MTOW is above 12500, and is considered JAR25 in Europe .
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Could anyone who really knows clarify my understanding of high performance (HPA) Single pilot aeroplane public transport ops relative to the BE200, Raytheon 390 and the Cessna 525 CJ1 & CJ2. I hold a UK CPL/IR with no credits for the ATPL exams.
I also hold a Hungarian CPL type rated on the Let 410. (not really relevant)
My understanding is that I can obtain a type rating and fly these types as SIC or PIC for public transport but on my initial type rating on a High performance Aeroplane I would have to attend a course of additional theoretical knowledge.
Although it say’s in JAR-FCL 1.251 Type, class ratings for
single pilot high performance aeroplanes –Conditions
applicant for a first type or class rating for a single-pilot high performance aeroplane (HPA) shall:have passed at least the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with JARFCL 1.285; or (iii) hold a valid ICAO ATPL(A) or CPL/IR with theoretical knowledge credit for ATPL(A);
But in SECTION 2 JAR-FCL 1 01.03.06 2–F–3 Amendment 5 AMC FCL 1.251 it says:
Additional theoretical knowledge for a class or type rating for high performance single-pilot aeroplanes
(See Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251)
1 A number of aeroplanes certificated for single pilot operation have similar performances, systems and navigation capabilities to those more usually associated with multi-pilot types of aeroplanes, and regularly operate within the same airspace. The level of knowledge required to operate safely in this environment is not part of, or not included to the necessary depth of knowledge in the training syllabi for the PPl, CPL or IR(A) but these licence holders may fly as pilot-in-command of such aeroplanes. The additional theoretical knowledge required to operate such aeroplanes safely is obtained by completion of an FTO or TRTO course covering the syllabus shown in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251.
and in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251 it say’s:
4 Theoretical knowledge instruction for the HPA may be provided by an FTO approved to conduct theoretical knowledge training for the ATPL(A). Courses may also be provided by TRTOs offering training for HPA class and type ratings, in which case the course will be subject to specific approval. Course
providers will be required to certify completion of the training and demonstration of knowledge by the applicant as a pre-requisite for training for an initial type or class rating for aeroplanes designated as high performance.
So in theory I can get the type rating so why do employers such as Dragonfly at CWL and Gamma for the Scottish ambulance service state as a minimum credits for the ATPL for two crew ops on the BE200? I can fly as PIC on the Otter DHC 6 PIC and do not even require MCC. With the VLJ’s coming online I am keen to get into the business Jet Market but at present cannot take the time out to sit the ATPL’s. Any employers out there with the answers I really would appreciate it before I go completely deaf!
Cheers,
STOL.
I also hold a Hungarian CPL type rated on the Let 410. (not really relevant)
My understanding is that I can obtain a type rating and fly these types as SIC or PIC for public transport but on my initial type rating on a High performance Aeroplane I would have to attend a course of additional theoretical knowledge.
Although it say’s in JAR-FCL 1.251 Type, class ratings for
single pilot high performance aeroplanes –Conditions
applicant for a first type or class rating for a single-pilot high performance aeroplane (HPA) shall:have passed at least the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with JARFCL 1.285; or (iii) hold a valid ICAO ATPL(A) or CPL/IR with theoretical knowledge credit for ATPL(A);
But in SECTION 2 JAR-FCL 1 01.03.06 2–F–3 Amendment 5 AMC FCL 1.251 it says:
Additional theoretical knowledge for a class or type rating for high performance single-pilot aeroplanes
(See Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251)
1 A number of aeroplanes certificated for single pilot operation have similar performances, systems and navigation capabilities to those more usually associated with multi-pilot types of aeroplanes, and regularly operate within the same airspace. The level of knowledge required to operate safely in this environment is not part of, or not included to the necessary depth of knowledge in the training syllabi for the PPl, CPL or IR(A) but these licence holders may fly as pilot-in-command of such aeroplanes. The additional theoretical knowledge required to operate such aeroplanes safely is obtained by completion of an FTO or TRTO course covering the syllabus shown in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251.
and in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.251 it say’s:
4 Theoretical knowledge instruction for the HPA may be provided by an FTO approved to conduct theoretical knowledge training for the ATPL(A). Courses may also be provided by TRTOs offering training for HPA class and type ratings, in which case the course will be subject to specific approval. Course
providers will be required to certify completion of the training and demonstration of knowledge by the applicant as a pre-requisite for training for an initial type or class rating for aeroplanes designated as high performance.
So in theory I can get the type rating so why do employers such as Dragonfly at CWL and Gamma for the Scottish ambulance service state as a minimum credits for the ATPL for two crew ops on the BE200? I can fly as PIC on the Otter DHC 6 PIC and do not even require MCC. With the VLJ’s coming online I am keen to get into the business Jet Market but at present cannot take the time out to sit the ATPL’s. Any employers out there with the answers I really would appreciate it before I go completely deaf!
Cheers,
STOL.
