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Old 24th May 2024, 11:52
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Expired type rating

If you have an expired type rating (small GA jet type) on your UK CAA license, and it expired less than 3 years ago: do you have to do training as required, LPC, and you're good to go?
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The ATO will assess your case and you can expect 1 or 2 additional simulator session(s) and a written test.
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Problem is the Big Name ATOs have a monopoly these days, so you will likely be asked to buy a full recurrent course.
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CAE and FSi have a matrix of how long your rating has expired for - you should not need to do a full rating, but a recurrent + 1 or 2 sessions maximum. Depending on what type you have you may find another perfectly good ATO to do it for significantly less.
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Originally Posted by 605carsten
Problem is the Big Name ATOs have a monopoly these days, so you will likely be asked to buy a full recurrent course.
this is patently untrue. As mentioned, the sim duopoly have a matrix which can accommodate training up to seven years since expiry of the rating /IR.

Costs will be quite extortionate, as they seem to just make up a price for private individuals as their only interest is operators, who pass in the costs to their managed aircraft or customers.
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Thanks all!
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Originally Posted by Journey Man
this is patently untrue. As mentioned, the sim duopoly have a matrix which can accommodate training up to seven years since expiry of the rating /IR.

Costs will be quite extortionate, as they seem to just make up a price for private individuals as their only interest is operators, who pass in the costs to their managed aircraft or customers.
yeah the costs are insane, I was 70k to do a global rating with an extra sim session - so 20k for one sim session?!? Madness
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Try 100k GBP for renewal of a 2 year expired GV rating!

How many expletives do you think I harbour for these thieves?

I have no hesitation in stating FS FAB!

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Both C and F negotiate sole source for OEM data packs to ensure no competition and hense the high prices. A and B are now doing similar by pricing their datapacks at crazy prices to effectively kill off independent ATOs.
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Originally Posted by Journey Man
this is patently untrue. As mentioned, the sim duopoly have a matrix which can accommodate training up to seven years since expiry of the rating /IR.

Costs will be quite extortionate, as they seem to just make up a price for private individuals as their only interest is operators, who pass in the costs to their managed aircraft or customers.
wrong, it is true.

The FCL allows you to do a sole checkride to revalidate your rating and IR… then you ask for that alone, only to get the aforementioned matrix shoved in your face with the quickest solution (and cheapest) starting as a full recurrent… followed by the adding on of sim sessions and ending in full course. Its a ripoff holding you hostage to the big players who ignore what the FCL says. “Take it or leave it” they dont care.
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