Multi Crew on Single Pilot Aircraft (EASA)
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Multi Crew on Single Pilot Aircraft (EASA)
Hello,
Hopefully someone can help me answer this question as I can’t find any information about this anywhere.
I am in talks with a German company (non aviation) who simply wants to buy a business jet to fly their employees around (so it’s not going to be on an AOC as it is bought to be used privately). The aircraft is certified as a single pilot aircraft, but the company wants two pilots to fly it no matter what in case of one pilot being incapacitated. I will be type rated on the aircraft and fully licensed to fly it. My question is however, because it will be flown under part NCC, legally, it is not a requirement to have two pilots on a jet aircraft because it is obviously single pilot certified. Will I then even be allowed to be credited and log
the flight time in my logbook or can I only “log the memories” I have of flying it? Part FCL doesn’t seem to have an answer and couldn’t find any topics asking the same.
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Hopefully someone can help me answer this question as I can’t find any information about this anywhere.
I am in talks with a German company (non aviation) who simply wants to buy a business jet to fly their employees around (so it’s not going to be on an AOC as it is bought to be used privately). The aircraft is certified as a single pilot aircraft, but the company wants two pilots to fly it no matter what in case of one pilot being incapacitated. I will be type rated on the aircraft and fully licensed to fly it. My question is however, because it will be flown under part NCC, legally, it is not a requirement to have two pilots on a jet aircraft because it is obviously single pilot certified. Will I then even be allowed to be credited and log
the flight time in my logbook or can I only “log the memories” I have of flying it? Part FCL doesn’t seem to have an answer and couldn’t find any topics asking the same.
Thanks for reading
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The first answer is you can and should log all the flying you do. Whether people will count it towards future things is the question.
As long as you can show that the company ops manual has procedures for multi pilot operation then most , if not all, NAAs will accept that as P2 time the same as if it were on an AOC. However as far as i am aware this is not written anywhere, the regulations only mention it where a single pilot aircraft is being flown muti pilot due the ops regulations.
As long as you can show that the company ops manual has procedures for multi pilot operation then most , if not all, NAAs will accept that as P2 time the same as if it were on an AOC. However as far as i am aware this is not written anywhere, the regulations only mention it where a single pilot aircraft is being flown muti pilot due the ops regulations.
Is this business jet certified for single pilot operations under FAA or under EASA?
The fact that one set of regulators find an airplane suitable for single pilot operations does not necessarily mean another set of regulators find the same.
I may be the case that the airplane may be flown single pilot with a N-registration and must be flown multi crew under a D-registration.
You need to ask this question to the LBA.
The fact that one set of regulators find an airplane suitable for single pilot operations does not necessarily mean another set of regulators find the same.
I may be the case that the airplane may be flown single pilot with a N-registration and must be flown multi crew under a D-registration.
You need to ask this question to the LBA.
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Talk directly to your NAA. There may be an "Alt Moc" available which will inform you how to do so. It is possible for instance in a King Air to operate multi-crew under a recognised multi-crew programme (i.e. your NAA must have a document regarding such a programme) Those hours can be counted towards the requirement to unfreeze an ATPL although the skill test must be performed in a transport category aeroplane. Good luck!
As Ratty says, check with your NAA because previously some NAA's allowed multi pilot time to be logged if the aircraft was operated in accordance with an operations manual which specified multi pilot procedures.
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To the best of my knowledge you could log the time as long as you have a type rating with a MP (multi pilot) ops entry. If it says SP ops, then...
Beware or rather the company neeedss to be aware: for the time being NCC Ops is dutyx time wise still under the old 2.DVO LuftBO regs - duty time sp is strictly limited to 10 hrs from check in to check out. Thus logically, if you fly with 2 pilots and thus can do 14 hrs, the second pilot is a "recognized" pilot and should be able to log the hours. He needs to be rated though.
To the best of my knowledge you could log the time as long as you have a type rating with a MP (multi pilot) ops entry. If it says SP ops, then...
Beware or rather the company neeedss to be aware: for the time being NCC Ops is dutyx time wise still under the old 2.DVO LuftBO regs - duty time sp is strictly limited to 10 hrs from check in to check out. Thus logically, if you fly with 2 pilots and thus can do 14 hrs, the second pilot is a "recognized" pilot and should be able to log the hours. He needs to be rated though.
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