Are you getting graped by Signature Luton?
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Parking increase from GBP86 to GBP210 per hour for large aircraft. Absolutely insane.
Signatures new apron around their new building and stand 58, which was created by demolishing a hangar next to the Gulfstream hangar does not compensate them for the loss of stands 16 & 17. I would suggest they are either managing demand by increasing prices or the fees for using stands 16 & 17 are now set by the airport and are going to them and not Signature. Signature are still using the stands until the airport needs them as they lack apron space of their own.
I used to operate a Signature based aircraft from Luton and due to the insane location of their new hangar (which would have been perfect for Gulfstream to move to - leaving the operational hangar on the signature ramp), it looked like there would be significant increases in de-icing charges during winter ops.
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Well I bet most of the owners of those jets are "graping" the rest of us by avoiding paying taxes with offshore bank accounts, false residences in Monaco, dodgy accounts in Panama, employing workers on zero-hour contracts, stealing from pension funds etc - so who cares if they have to pay something back into other businesses?
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We operate a G650 which has to go there regularly, we also operate the owner's helicopter. Recently on three occasions we were refused handling for the helicopter due to "no space" and ended up with the jet at Signature and the heli at Harrods and Signature refusing to provide transport for the boss to Harrods.
Harrods sorted that, but Sig Luton did themselves no favours at all. What I don't understand is how Signature in so many other places can be so good and Luton so bad. Sig Le Bourget is somewhere I actually look forward to!
As for "graped" I believe the Op may be referencing the 1970's sketch of Captain Kremmen by the late Kenny Everett. Kremmens assistant Karla; "Captain I've just been graped!!"
Kremmen; "Surely you mean groped?"
Karla; "No, there was a whole bunch of them!"
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Harrods sorted that, but Sig Luton did themselves no favours at all. What I don't understand is how Signature in so many other places can be so good and Luton so bad. Sig Le Bourget is somewhere I actually look forward to!
As for "graped" I believe the Op may be referencing the 1970's sketch of Captain Kremmen by the late Kenny Everett. Kremmens assistant Karla; "Captain I've just been graped!!"
Kremmen; "Surely you mean groped?"
Karla; "No, there was a whole bunch of them!"
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Well I bet most of the owners of those jets are "graping" the rest of us by avoiding paying taxes with offshore bank accounts, false residences in Monaco, dodgy accounts in Panama, employing workers on zero-hour contracts, stealing from pension funds etc - so who cares if they have to pay something back into other businesses?
What's up to me (most of the time) is where I chose to obtain handling from. A rip off is a rip off, and bad service is bad service. I have to justify most costs, so it matters to me.
What an aircraft owner/charterer does for work is irrelevant to me. As long as they pay their bills on time, I do not care. You are intimating that this handler is some kind of 'white knight', robbing the rich. Do you think they feed the poor?
However much I dislike zero hours contracts, broken pensions etc, It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
SND, that must have been frustrating to say the least. Perhaps one reason they are so bad at LTN, is that it is their busiest FBO in the European network. Some flagship! Like I said before, captive audience. I can foresee the other big player at LTN gaining business if they play their cards right.
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Well I bet most of the owners of those jets are "graping" the rest of us by avoiding paying taxes with offshore bank accounts, false residences in Monaco, dodgy accounts in Panama, employing workers on zero-hour contracts, stealing from pension funds etc - so who cares if they have to pay something back into other businesses?
I´m more interested in keeping my job and to this effect the operation needs to be as cheap/price worthy as possible. If I read SND post, with no transport provided to the boss, I got to say, this is an absolute NoNo. The bossman is paying up, he needs to get all (reasonable) services required pronto.
If a handling company does not understand this, it has no place in this business. IMHO. They (handlers) have been give a huge opportunity after 911, with loads of airports switching to mandatory handling and often the "services" have not developed as the prices have - they go up all the time, service levels not so.
BTW, Signature LBG is a dump, IMHO, was a loyal client of Transair for many years, but Signature got me totally annoyed after just 2 visits. Never ever again. Signature East Midlands - as an example - top guys, friendly good service although the premises could use an update.
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Alternative is to consider the 5 Excellent FBO's at Stansted
Universal , Harrods , Inflite , Fayair , Xjet
Distance to the city is not that much difference and if using a helicopter its logical.
Parking is cheaper and plentiful , fuel is cheaper. On site maintenance with Gulfstream/EBAS/Harrods/Inflite.
Universal , Harrods , Inflite , Fayair , Xjet
Distance to the city is not that much difference and if using a helicopter its logical.
Parking is cheaper and plentiful , fuel is cheaper. On site maintenance with Gulfstream/EBAS/Harrods/Inflite.
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....or you avoid the LTMA altogether by quick and easy access to OXF / EGTK, fast turnarounds, much lower costs and if you want heli-shuttles to Battersea, there's half cost landings for the jet, massively lower parking fees, half costs at the Heliport for interlining helicopter and in 22 or so minutes quite happy passengers too....
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G0ULI, what a little princess you are! Did you mother not like you or something. Jes, mate, you're one little sensitive thing. Perhaps you should go suck on a lollipop somewhere else.
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Unless you have worked with victims of sexual assaults, you can have no idea the depths of emotional and physical trauma that result. Third most serious offence on the statute books after treason and murder for a very good reason. Exhobitant hiking of service charges may also be a very emotive issue, but in no way comparable.
Not precious, just someone who has worked in this field. I am not prepared to sit back and ignore the trivialising of rape in reference to shoddy commercial practises. I suspect that the female members of this forum might have similar views.
Unless you have worked with victims of sexual assaults, you can have no idea the depths of emotional and physical trauma that result. Third most serious offence on the statute books after treason and murder for a very good reason. Exhobitant hiking of service charges may also be a very emotive issue, but in no way comparable.
Not precious, just someone who has worked in this field. I am not prepared to sit back and ignore the trivialising of rape in reference to shoddy commercial practises. I suspect that the female members of this forum might have similar views.
I am not prepared to sit back and ignore the trivialising of rape in reference to shoddy commercial practises
rape 1 (rāp)
n.
1.
a. The crime of using force or the threat of force to compel a person to submit to sexual intercourse.
b. The crime of using force or threat of force to compel a person to submit to some other sexual penetration.
c. Other unlawful sexual intercourse or penetration, as with an unconscious person or person below the age of or incapable of consent.
d. An instance of any of these crimes.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction: the rape of Europa by Zeus.
3. The act of pillaging or plundering: the rape of the city by the invaders.
4. Abusive or improper treatment; spoiling or abuse: the rape of the land by polluters.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To use force or threat of force to compel (another person) to submit to sexual intercourse or other sexual penetration.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.
4. To treat improperly; abuse or spoil.
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I had no intention of hijacking (another contentious word) the topic. The thread title was altered to something a little less horrible. Thank you for that.
My user name does look a little unfortunate in some fonts, the second character is a zero. It is an officially licensed randomly assigned international designation. Sometimes life deals you lemons.
Back to the main topic, I as a customer find Luton a bit disappointing as a destination to travel from and to. They really need to keep their charges as low as possible to attract trade and make up for the inconvenience of not being closer to London. Maybe it's just the population of Milton Keynes has grown enough to justify hiking the prices. A jubilee special deal perhaps.
My user name does look a little unfortunate in some fonts, the second character is a zero. It is an officially licensed randomly assigned international designation. Sometimes life deals you lemons.
Back to the main topic, I as a customer find Luton a bit disappointing as a destination to travel from and to. They really need to keep their charges as low as possible to attract trade and make up for the inconvenience of not being closer to London. Maybe it's just the population of Milton Keynes has grown enough to justify hiking the prices. A jubilee special deal perhaps.
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So, you're offended on behalf of the forum's female members? I can't help but think that they can speak for themselves...
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I personally don't care about the prices much, but the service! Thats awful. One of my colleagues summed it up perfectly. Wonderful new building, same piss poor service.
Harrods is in another league and Stansted has always been an easier option.
Now if only we could double pilot salaries? No the boss says we're loosing money.......again. Yeah whatever.
Harrods is in another league and Stansted has always been an easier option.
Now if only we could double pilot salaries? No the boss says we're loosing money.......again. Yeah whatever.
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personally don't care about the prices much, but the service! Thats awful. One of my colleagues summed it up perfectly. Wonderful new building, same piss poor service.
There is no excuse for the service (or rather, lack of it)
I also agree that SIG LBG is pretty bad. I prefer Jetex personally.
I fly a mix of private owner and charter flights on a few airframes. The private owner wont go near SIG LTN now. When I get a charter to LTN, I'm going to 'the other side' from now on.
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Alternative is to consider the 5 Excellent FBO's at Stansted
Universal , Harrods , Inflite , Fayair , Xjet
Distance to the city is not that much difference and if using a helicopter its logical.
Parking is cheaper and plentiful , fuel is cheaper. On site maintenance with Gulfstream/EBAS/Harrods/Inflite.
Universal , Harrods , Inflite , Fayair , Xjet
Distance to the city is not that much difference and if using a helicopter its logical.
Parking is cheaper and plentiful , fuel is cheaper. On site maintenance with Gulfstream/EBAS/Harrods/Inflite.
I must've missed something down the line...
