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Old 12th Dec 2014, 10:04
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Great pictures. I've always liked the Aerostar. Good-looking well-designed machine with nice little details, for instance the elevator and rudder parts are the same and interchangable, and the exhaust points backwards for extra speed

What's that rectangular thing on the windscreen?
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 13:21
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What's that rectangular thing on the windscreen?
Heated part of the windshield for icing conditions.
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How does the Aerostar compare in that regard ? no question as to it's speed and efficiency.
It's got push pull rods for all controls, so it's very nice to fly. Very direct and fighter jet-like. It's the best handling aircraft I've flown, although I have not flown a Baron. Hear good things about them. Handles a lot better than the Commander I'm going back to.

Are your figures representative of twin ownership in the UK? I believe that's the OP's location.
The fuel cost obviously will be 3 times higher in Europe. And landing fees. But I would think the fixed costs; maintenance, insurance and tie down are about the same. £200/hr in fuel, engine reserves £70, annual reserves (based on 150hrs/year) £10. It looks to me like this could be flown for around £300/hr all in. Not bad for a plane that will beat just about any airline in Europe door to door in time. I've found that the tipping point is 1000nm trips. Longer than that and the airlines win, shorter than that I win.

At an FAA safety meeting they said 10% of single engine aircraft with an engine failure accident results in a fatality, 50% of multi-engine aircraft with an engine failure accident result in a fatality.
That doesn't take in all the twin engine failures that land safely on one, which is a majority. The number above only takes into account the ones who ended up in an accident. This is why the old chestnut, the single vs. twin debate can never reflect reality as every twin engine shutdown that lands safely doesn't get reported and are not part of the statistics.
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Very nice, it has to be the best looking light twin made.


The Baron's not nearly as fast but if you get a chance to fly one you will enjoy it !
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950euros per hour is very high, most likely 450per hour
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 20:24
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Adam Are we going to get another series of articles about your Aerostar ownership?
Going back to the Commander, eh? Please do tell all.
?Your last series was most entertaining and fascinating......pretty please!
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Read John Frank's Sept 2013 article on parts availability and prices for legacy Cessna aircraft. Note, John is the founder of the Cessna Pilot's Association. Certain parts for the Twin Cessna fleet are almost impossible to get at any price except from salvage yards. John give the example of a main landing gear pivot for a R182 single, cost $1700 in 1990, now lists for $17,000!!!

1411 1309

If you buy a Twin Cessna, it better be in like new condition, or you'll soon spend your inheritance on the care and upkeep. There's a reason they are getting "cheap" on the used market.

At least Piper still makes the Seneca, though you won't haul 6 pax unless you leave a fair amount of fuel behind.
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The Bluebook is a great place to start if you want to get a grasp on aircraft prices.

Myself, I'm biased towards the Beechcraft Baron. I flew a B55 quite extensively for some time and while not a beginners twin it's certainly fast and very agile and responsive. The C-model has bigger cg-span IIRC which is a benefit.
I normally cruised at levels in the low hundreds and saw TAS at about 200 knots with a fuel flow of about, again IIRC, in the low 20 GPH total.
I regularly would chase the commuter – to their great dismay – twin turboprops during approach when I was doing 220+ knots in the descent. Speed is easily lost in a Baron (the fly mostly on power...).
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Adam Are we going to get another series of articles about your Aerostar ownership?
Going back to the Commander, eh? Please do tell all.
?Your last series was most entertaining and fascinating......pretty please!
Cockney, I'm stepping up to an old turbine in 2015, so I'll probably write a line or two about that experience when the time comes. Still have not gotten delivery.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 07:53
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I flew the several different 55 series Barons and never got over 190 knots true, granted they were pretty old but I certainly never got down as low as 20GPH total, that's just not right, I was burning 15GPH / per side.


Furthermore I can't imagine any turboprop you could catch in a Baron or who 'the commuter' is
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 17:44
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I still fly a 55. Usually see 22-24gph in cruise, around 165 TAS.

I have never seen 200 kts in a 55. In a new 58 yes, but at the expense of hugely increased burn.

Maybe it's me but I find the baron a slippery airplane, and one which needs a lot more thought about descent planning than any turboprop I've flown, particularly if caring for the engines properly. Especially the older 55's where the flap limiting speed is very low. Very useful gear speed though.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 10:43
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When time is not an issue I can see where you could get the fuel burn down.


I was flying small freight commercially and we went everywhere flat out, time was very tight and fuel burn was not an issue, in fact we had to punch a time clock when we landed


It was a lot of fun except flying it in all and every kind of weather, I had a lot of respect for the Baron, it could carry a lot of ice and keep going.
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Old 10th Jan 2015, 05:18
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Baron

Throw the IO-550s on the wings...
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