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Sky News reporting bizjet crash Jan 12

Old 12th Jan 2014, 13:18
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N452TS Citation 501SP crash Jan 12 2014 Germany

Skynews newsdesk is reporting a small business jet on a flight form the UK to a German airfield has crashed with 4 fatalities - all on board.

No details yet. Reported 4 minutes ago.

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Old 12th Jan 2014, 13:21
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Yes heard it too ! We are a small band of pilots so hope no one I know !

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BERLIN (AP) — Police say a small jet has crashed near an airfield in western Germany and four people on board are believed to have died.
The plane came down Sunday lunchtime at a landfill site near the city of Trier. City police said in a statement that it appears to have been a Cessna Citation business jet carrying two pilots and two passengers from England to an airfield at Foehren, near the crash site.
The aircraft damaged an electricity pylon as it came down and was ablaze when firefighters arrived at the scene.
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Biz jet crash in Trier Germany

Reports are it's a Citation flying from the UK , sadly no survivors RIP
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Föhren is a VFR field. Have a look at the apparently foggy conditions...

Look at the webcam:

Flugplatz Trier-Föhren EDRT | Webcam


Heres a pic:

Nahe Trier: Vier Tote bei Flugzeugabsturz - N24.de

Looks like a straight citation...

More pics:

Vier Tote bei Flugzeugabsturz nahe Trier

According to:

In der Nähe von Trier: Vier Tote bei Flugzeugabsturz - Panorama - Stuttgarter Zeitung

its N-reg.

The crash site seems to be at about 2-3nm final:

http://goo.gl/maps/sy0BZ

Point B is the landfill site the reports talk about ("Mülldeponie")


Apparently a C501:

In Rheinland-Pfalz: 4 Tote bei Flugzeugabsturz - News Inland - Bild.de

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Old 12th Jan 2014, 13:41
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ASN has reported it is a N.... number?

You can see the hydro lines in the photo;

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdyUlGpCMAAhtLK.jpg:large

Trier-Föhren Airport @ OurAirports
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N reg ? CJ or 500 series ? Anyone know departure airfield uk ?

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Needs confirmation but a twitter post has it as N452TS.
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Propably:
Reg: N452TS

Last flight:
Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
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Live flight information - Brighton Airport

Cessna 501 Citation. N452TS. | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 18:00
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What a relief to see your post Pace

I have just heard the type and departure airfield and thought of you instantly.

As much joy as flying does give to us, it also draws reflection to the sudden sadness that can follow.

Condolences to family and friends.
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News indicated that they might have struck a powerline in bad viz.
However, aircraft was based at EDRT and owned by a local company, guess they know the area well enough not to hit one of those?
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Horrible CFIT crash - unexcuseable seen the circumstances.
Trier-Föhren is a plain VFR / VMC landingsite, no navaid - no nothing !!
Trier - Föhren lies in a valley with the surrounding hills topping field elevation by 600 - 1000 ft. Possible diversion a/d nearby are on top of these hills.
Weather was definately IMC at a bad state >> see Metar Spangdahlem airbase attached to the report in Aviation Safety Network.
Apparently at the time of the crash nearby Frankfurt-Hahn airport - just south of the Mosel valley had gone to VFR conditions.
Even if still at IMC Hahn has a 3800 m long RWY and cat III ILS on both ends.
Luxemburg obviously was down to IFR minima at the time of the crash, so no good diversion a/d.
Finally, EDDK - Cologne - was plain CAVOK the entire day !! So why no diversion into safety, followed by a 1:45 h car drive??
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I guess we will never know. Having to get there kills time and again.
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guess they know the area well enough not to hit one of those?
If you can´t see em cause they are in bloody fog ?

My home base has a 460ft minima partly because of powerlines crossing the approach path. Knowing that they are there does not help.

These accidents will never stop, cause there is always an idiot out there flying. Unless there was a very temporary very steep positive change in visibilty when they tried to approach this was simply not flyable. ELLX was fogged out all day and EDFH was CAVOK from 1020utc onwards. I have lived in the area for a year -> this is not a place to mess around.
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perhaps an accident with a root cause in flawed decision making?

It is unfortunate that they left us too early under some how avoidable circumstances.

RIP.

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Regional TV news (SWR) yesterday evening quoted airport officials as saying visibility <200m and no contact with tower prior to crash.
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I was flying VFR yesterday in the area. The ground fog was only a few hundred feet thick in the valleys with full blue sky/CAVOK above.
In places the High Power lines poles and windmills tops were sticking out the fog base on some hills.
As Annex 14 correctly and wisely said earlier , there were plenty on airfields open in full sunshine on the high terrain, all around Trier. Attempting yesterday to go inside the Mosel valley with this weather ( plus the fog was in icing conditions as well ) on a strip with no Nav aids is not understandable for me.

Brings another question, how can you cancel IFR, ( they had to at some point for destination Trier ) and then enter known IMC ?
Pressure of the guy in the back paying for the trip ?

An accident that should not have happenned.
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What a relief to see your post Pace
I have just heard the type and departure airfield and thought of you instantly.
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Thanks for concern Surprisingly the reg is very close to one of the Citations I fly which are both 550s and never taken a jet into Shoreham.

Graham Hill and get me home Itis springs to mind

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The Graham Hill accident is precisely the first thing that came to my mind too.
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