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You shall read better.; the ACTUAL FBW....
The 5X FBW is nothing to compare to the 7X one. Hence a new certification, if a new certification anyway, you just reshuffle the aircraft fundamentals, and you have a new type...not a 7X-EX or else...you have an F8X..
The 5X FBW is nothing to compare to the 7X one. Hence a new certification, if a new certification anyway, you just reshuffle the aircraft fundamentals, and you have a new type...not a 7X-EX or else...you have an F8X..
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Right...whatever... it's not going to change anything on the pilot side anyway !
Have you flown the 7X ?
You do not have too long to wait...The announcement is coming...
ps. Quand on ne sait pas on se tait, on bien on contacte en mp, ou encore on se rencontre et tu te fait expliquer..
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Dassault Plans To Launch Another Falcon Next Year
Hot on the heels of the recently unveiled Falcon 5X, Dassault will make another addition to the Falcon line of business jets and an announcement can be expected next year, Dassault Falcon Jet president and CEO John Rosanvallon told AIN yesterday at the Dubai Airshow. The addition will come at the top of the product line, he said, without revealing further details. Rosanvallon did say it will not replace an existing product. Dassault’s current flagship, the Falcon 7X, entered service in 2007 and “is still in the first part of its service life,” he said. “Most of our programs live between 20 and 30 years and sell 500 examples.” The company has sold two hundred 7Xs and its delivery backlog stands near 50. The new top-of-the-line aircraft will bring the Falcon offering to six jets and will be priced above the $52 million Falcon 7X. The list price of the under-development Falcon 5X is $45 million, while the other models span from the $26 million Falcon 2000S to the $30 million Falcon 2000LXS to the $40 million Falcon 900LX.
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Hot on the heels of the recently unveiled Falcon 5X, Dassault will make another addition to the Falcon line of business jets and an announcement can be expected next year, Dassault Falcon Jet president and CEO John Rosanvallon told AIN yesterday at the Dubai Airshow. The addition will come at the top of the product line, he said, without revealing further details. Rosanvallon did say it will not replace an existing product. Dassault’s current flagship, the Falcon 7X, entered service in 2007 and “is still in the first part of its service life,” he said. “Most of our programs live between 20 and 30 years and sell 500 examples.” The company has sold two hundred 7Xs and its delivery backlog stands near 50. The new top-of-the-line aircraft will bring the Falcon offering to six jets and will be priced above the $52 million Falcon 7X. The list price of the under-development Falcon 5X is $45 million, while the other models span from the $26 million Falcon 2000S to the $30 million Falcon 2000LXS to the $40 million Falcon 900LX.
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To anyone who knows a little about aircraft design, do the 5X stats seem to make sense?
Falcon 5X
BOW: 38,100
MTOW: 69,600
Fuel: 28,200
Range: 5,200 @ M.80
lbs fuel per nm max range: ~5.4
Falcon 7X
BOW: 34,300
MTOW: 70,000
Fuel: 31,940
RangeL 5,950 @ M.80
lbs fuel per nm max range: ~5.4
I get that the 5X is 3,800 lbs heavier than the 7X and has a 8" larger diameter fuselage, but it also is using two clean sheet design brand new engines rather than three 25 year old engines. Two engines is fundamentally much more efficient than three plus there is the generational upgrade in technology. If you compare the G650 at its 7000nm @ M.85 performance, it only uses 16% more fuel per nm than the 5X despite the additional range, larger cabin, and 15,900 extra lbs of structure its carrying around (42% higher BOW).
What gives? With its stats it seems like the 5X should have more like 5,700 nm range. If Dassault product history is any indication (look at the Falcon 50EX/900EX/2000EX), they are due for a major refresh of the 7X that would add several hundred nm of range which would make the older trijet with longer range significantly more efficient than the newer twinjet with the same MTOW.
Falcon 5X
BOW: 38,100
MTOW: 69,600
Fuel: 28,200
Range: 5,200 @ M.80
lbs fuel per nm max range: ~5.4
Falcon 7X
BOW: 34,300
MTOW: 70,000
Fuel: 31,940
RangeL 5,950 @ M.80
lbs fuel per nm max range: ~5.4
I get that the 5X is 3,800 lbs heavier than the 7X and has a 8" larger diameter fuselage, but it also is using two clean sheet design brand new engines rather than three 25 year old engines. Two engines is fundamentally much more efficient than three plus there is the generational upgrade in technology. If you compare the G650 at its 7000nm @ M.85 performance, it only uses 16% more fuel per nm than the 5X despite the additional range, larger cabin, and 15,900 extra lbs of structure its carrying around (42% higher BOW).
What gives? With its stats it seems like the 5X should have more like 5,700 nm range. If Dassault product history is any indication (look at the Falcon 50EX/900EX/2000EX), they are due for a major refresh of the 7X that would add several hundred nm of range which would make the older trijet with longer range significantly more efficient than the newer twinjet with the same MTOW.
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After a three-year delay that was made much worse this past fall by news of more technical problems with the Safran Silvercrest engines for the Falcon 5X, Dassault today said it is cancelling the jet's development program and starting fresh with a new large-cabin airplane powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada engines.
The new jet is scheduled to enter the market in 2022, Dassault announced in a press release issued shortly after Safran announced it expected Dassault to begin the process of cancelling the Silvercrast engine contract. The as-yet-unnamed jet will feature the same cabin cross-section of the 5X and a 5,500-nm range, Dassault said.
The first Silvercrest engines were originally planned to be delivered to Dassault for 5X testing by the end of 2013, but technical issues delayed that timeline. In 2015 and 2016, more serious technical issues led Safran to announce a new schedule that would lead to engines being delivered for Falcon 5X flight testing by the end of 2017. This past fall, Safran experienced problems with the high-pressure compressor and informed Dassault of an additional delay and a performance shortfall, making a revised 2020 entry into service of the aircraft impossible and leading to order cancellations as customers’ patience ran out.
“Considering the magnitude of the risks involved both on the technical and schedule aspects of the Silvercrest program, Dassault Aviation initiates the termination process of the Silvercrest contract leading to the end of the Falcon 5X program and plans to start negotiations with Safran,” Dassault said in the press release.
The French manufacturer offered no timeline for when the 5X replacement formally will be launched.
The new jet is scheduled to enter the market in 2022, Dassault announced in a press release issued shortly after Safran announced it expected Dassault to begin the process of cancelling the Silvercrast engine contract. The as-yet-unnamed jet will feature the same cabin cross-section of the 5X and a 5,500-nm range, Dassault said.
The first Silvercrest engines were originally planned to be delivered to Dassault for 5X testing by the end of 2013, but technical issues delayed that timeline. In 2015 and 2016, more serious technical issues led Safran to announce a new schedule that would lead to engines being delivered for Falcon 5X flight testing by the end of 2017. This past fall, Safran experienced problems with the high-pressure compressor and informed Dassault of an additional delay and a performance shortfall, making a revised 2020 entry into service of the aircraft impossible and leading to order cancellations as customers’ patience ran out.
“Considering the magnitude of the risks involved both on the technical and schedule aspects of the Silvercrest program, Dassault Aviation initiates the termination process of the Silvercrest contract leading to the end of the Falcon 5X program and plans to start negotiations with Safran,” Dassault said in the press release.
The French manufacturer offered no timeline for when the 5X replacement formally will be launched.
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