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In March Business Air News quote from Marine Eugene Sales Director Netjets "so we decided to create this competitively priced product". This relates to the new product of €116,000 for 25 hours of flight time on a Citation Bravo based on same day returns.
Wow! I wish I could get this sort of hourly rate. This equates to £4,000/Hr for an entry level jet.
Let's look at a day return to Geneva from London Biggin Hill. On a Citation probably 1h 25 each way. = 2.833 x 4,000 = £11,332.
Our charge for a Hawker 800 would be around £8,350 The advantages of our product are:
1/ Faster flight time
2/ Stewardess service with champagne and hot food
3/ Use of Rizen's award winning facility at Biggin
4/ Decent loo
5/ Can stand up (at least I can)
6/ APU to cool or heat you on the ground
7/ No need to give me €116,000 up front
8/ 3,000 quid in your back pocket
Have I completely missed the point of this "cost effective' product?
Wow! I wish I could get this sort of hourly rate. This equates to £4,000/Hr for an entry level jet.
Let's look at a day return to Geneva from London Biggin Hill. On a Citation probably 1h 25 each way. = 2.833 x 4,000 = £11,332.
Our charge for a Hawker 800 would be around £8,350 The advantages of our product are:
1/ Faster flight time
2/ Stewardess service with champagne and hot food
3/ Use of Rizen's award winning facility at Biggin
4/ Decent loo
5/ Can stand up (at least I can)
6/ APU to cool or heat you on the ground
7/ No need to give me €116,000 up front
8/ 3,000 quid in your back pocket
Have I completely missed the point of this "cost effective' product?
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Yes, sure, but how many Hawkers do you have? Any availability guarantee with a few hours notice? That's what NetJets' customers pay for don't they?
I reckon though that I'd rather shop traditional air taxi for myself! And I am pretty sure most users don't need these few NetJets advantages, at least in Europe.
I reckon though that I'd rather shop traditional air taxi for myself! And I am pretty sure most users don't need these few NetJets advantages, at least in Europe.
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I have 2 Hawkers and I would guarantee availibilty at £8,350 because I| would simply sub in if I had no availability.
I think Netjets are not being honest with customers with this guaranteed availability promise. There is plenty of capacity in the charter market at much more realistic prices than £4,000 for someting that is basically is a Citation 2 but Netjets would hate to admit this to their customers
I think Netjets are not being honest with customers with this guaranteed availability promise. There is plenty of capacity in the charter market at much more realistic prices than £4,000 for someting that is basically is a Citation 2 but Netjets would hate to admit this to their customers
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Magic of my comment before your suggestion H750... no I didn't hack your computer...
Maltese operators? Do you know how many bizjets available for charter are actually based in Malta?
If more than 2 I'd be surprised!
H750, you have defiinitely a good product, but you can't win 100% of the time! And by the way, Biggin Hill is not the favourite option in London, sorry (although I like the airfield very much).
If more than 2 I'd be surprised!
H750, you have defiinitely a good product, but you can't win 100% of the time! And by the way, Biggin Hill is not the favourite option in London, sorry (although I like the airfield very much).
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Come on you are getting my point, let's say Marrakech-Ouargla or any other city pair where you need to position your aircraft there first and have it back.. If you subcontract every time, you cannot control the quality, etc. a lot of variables, too many.. and still no guarantee of availability
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But have you seen their "occupied hours" cost? Coupled with the monthly fees, it would make your eyes water!
Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
Worst kept secret in the industry................They charge the "occupied hours" from engine start - surprise surprise!!
Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
Worst kept secret in the industry................They charge the "occupied hours" from engine start - surprise surprise!!
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Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
Worst kept secret in the industry................They charge the "occupied hours" from engine start - surprise surprise!!
Sorry. That is complete BS. Go on, proof me wrong.
Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
Worst kept secret in the industry................They charge the "occupied hours" from engine start - surprise surprise!!
Sorry. That is complete BS. Go on, proof me wrong.
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Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
C'mon, how can you make an inference like that? Speed off blocks is achieved by good procedures, good flows, good checklists and a willing ATC, the latter being out of one's control. I'm confident any NJ delays are ATC or technical related as I also know that Netjets and Flex pilots are extremely proficient (at least in the US) and their operating procedures are way ahead of 99% of the rest.
In complete contrast, the majority of GA flights I have witnessed give the illusion of "speed" by skipping and generally hacking their way through the checklist. Most can barely challenge and respond let alone complete one thoroughly.
NJ can charge premium rates because it offers a premium service and most discerning clients know it.
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Can only agree on the previous post !
Every now and then I stood next to another plane, pax with FO/CPT enters the plane, door closed and immediately off they taxi !
Airline standards ? Checklists ? Briefings ?
I have seen enough, and the only thing I have seen so far that comes to Airline Standard in regards to professionalism and safety is NetJets !
Not saying there aint another operator as proficient as them, but I have not seen one yet.... but have seen a lot where I would have doubts and concerns being a pax....
Just my two cents
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Every now and then I stood next to another plane, pax with FO/CPT enters the plane, door closed and immediately off they taxi !
Airline standards ? Checklists ? Briefings ?
I have seen enough, and the only thing I have seen so far that comes to Airline Standard in regards to professionalism and safety is NetJets !
Not saying there aint another operator as proficient as them, but I have not seen one yet.... but have seen a lot where I would have doubts and concerns being a pax....
Just my two cents
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The Citations with no GPU and APU should take longer to go off block - even with the "greatest" of procedures. The FMS has to be set up (I know u can activate sec plan), but there are still checks to run. No doubt that a crew knowing each other and being profiecient will expedite. However its nit about speed first - its about safety first. Credit to Netjets and buhu to common GA jet go happy go lucky pilots.
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Going back to the original topic, yes, NetJets is more expensive than an ad-hoc charter, but their sales people have successfully convinced their clients that the "guaranteed availibility" and "convenience" is worth paying extra for. (and, maybe it is for some...)
Nonetheless, it is always cheaper to use a local operator from the point of departure or ask a broker to find one for you, but NJE's advertsing budget exceeds that of everybody else so this awareness won't reach the masses.
Nonetheless, it is always cheaper to use a local operator from the point of departure or ask a broker to find one for you, but NJE's advertsing budget exceeds that of everybody else so this awareness won't reach the masses.
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Also, have you noticed how long NJ spend on the ramp engines running before moving off?
but their sales people have successfully convinced their clients that the "guaranteed availibility" and "convenience" is worth paying extra for. (and, maybe it is for some...)
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What hogwash about speed off blocks - I've had an (empty) airline heavy jet off blocks within 5 minutes of walking up the steps without skipping anything and all to SOP. Actually the min speed with airline style procedures can be quicker as it uses cockpit flows and nice concise checklists.
