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Old 9th Feb 2013, 06:19
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TR costs, job offers...

Apparently, there are still job offers out there but, SSTR of course. Examples:

Global Express, 42K Euro
Citation Sovereign, 37K USD

Work contract only after the TR, fees for the six landings will be deducted from you salary...

Who can afford to pay for those TRs??? Could you???

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Old 9th Feb 2013, 07:16
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"will hire monkeys, must bring their own bag of peanuts"

Brilliant recruitment policy
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Old 9th Feb 2013, 08:44
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The Sovereign is only 5 grand less than the GLEX?
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Old 9th Feb 2013, 08:48
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Hey dude, have you got some euros you want to swap for my dollars?
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Old 9th Feb 2013, 09:15
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I know that there are type rated Sovereign pilots in Germany unemployed.
Sooner or later somebody who has has spend the money for the type rating will join the club shortly before the recurrent is due.
Would like to know which outfit is offering such "deals"
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Old 9th Feb 2013, 09:22
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Hey dude, have you got some euros you want to swap for my dollars?
Nope, but Ill get some glasses for the 5 Eullars or Dollros I save...
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Old 9th Feb 2013, 09:25
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I know that there are type rated Sovereign pilots in Germany unemployed.
Me knows that too. But how much more bendalble are you with a 37KUSD debt than with 'just a refresher'

And mind you, If you can sell an hour or two for the landings, that will give you some income....

The dirty old tricks that so many small operators did already 20 years ago...
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 15:12
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The sovereign "offer" is only on a freelance basis. Dirty old tricks? Its rather the standard nowadays...

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 07:54
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Anybody reading this who DID NOT have to pay for his TR?

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 08:45
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 10:10
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5 type ratings on corporate jets, all with FlightSafety or CAE/Simuflite, and never paid myself.
If the offer is for a rating on aircraft not in a Sim I would think a total waste of money.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 11:57
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CE500, G1159, GIV, GV, B737, B757, B767!!!

Out of pocket money..... $0

I have 0 respect for anyone who pays for their training (THERE IS NO EXCUSE!!!!)

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 12:07
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BE90-200,CE 525, CE500/550/560, CE650, CE 680, CL30, did not pay for one.

Mind you, the last was 5 years ago, different times.

If the offer is for a rating on aircraft not in a Sim I would think a total waste of money.
+1. That was the dirty old trick I referred to. Sell hours to poor trainees and when the dude has its rating, relief the next poor soul of his money...

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 13:14
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Never paid for one either, gotten my first ones on the aircraft as sims weren't around yet, and the latter ones all at the wellknown sim centres.

I am actively involved in recruiting crew and will not even contemplate a self sponsored candidate, they will find themselves in the bin without even the courtesy of a reply.

I do a bit of freelancing and training and won't even show up if the guy in the RHS is a P2F muppet, no thanks, I am not going to actively participate in eroding my own terms and conditions, been around too long for that one.

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 13:14
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Anybody reading this who DID NOT have to pay for his TR?
Me: SA226/227 and C500/550/560. But like Mr. Dudeness said: Five years ago, everything was different. I don't think anybody would buy me a typerating now and why should he, with hundreds of pilots volunteering to pay for it themselves?
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 13:16
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Originally Posted by noneya View Post
I have 0 respect for anyone who pays for their training (THERE IS NO EXCUSE!!!!)
Well, that depends.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 14:32
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IA-1125/G-100, CL 600, CL 604, GLEX. Been at it 20+ years and haven't paid for any.

As a matter of fact I don't know anyone who has paid for their own TR. Not saying it doesn't happen in the US...I just don't think it's as common here.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:00
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Not for me it doesn't. I've never understood why someone would be prepared to pay for the privilege of working. There are no circumstances where I would do it.

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:08
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Well, if you work as freelance for example.

Did you pay for your licenses? Didn't you pay so pay for the privilege to work.

Agree that if you go a full time job, the company must pay the rating.

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:46
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Agree that if you go a full time job, the company must pay the rating.
Yes - but there is no pure black or white in this world. We all pay/paid for our typeratings in some way. The starting salary of a type-rated, supervised and experienced pilot is always going to be higher than that of a non-rated pilot. The difference is your contribution towards the rating. Everywhere, even with the cadet-schemes of those airlines who still train their own pilots. My "market value" is simply higher with a rating than without, and my salary is a direct function of that market value.

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