Hawker 4000, Challenger 300 or Falcon 50EX?
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Devils advocate on the F50EX vs F900EX debate - F900EX is USD 200/hr more extra (apparently - I haven't looked at the book figures) but with a decent broker working for you you can get a F50EX for $5-6m, maybe lower. A good F900EX will be a lot more than that...
It's only cramped if you're flying it around at max PAX - same as most aircraft. If you're going to fly around regularly with 8-10 PAX it's the wrong aircraft...but early CL604's are dipping under $10m.
It's only cramped if you're flying it around at max PAX - same as most aircraft. If you're going to fly around regularly with 8-10 PAX it's the wrong aircraft...but early CL604's are dipping under $10m.
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Have a lot of time in the 604 so highly recommend. Another type to consider is the jet I'm currently flying, the X. I wouldn't have even considered it prior to my last 2 years with this type. Exceptionally quiet, identical field performance to the 604, good load, decent cabin and FAST. The range is right in the ballpark for,you and the price of a decent, low-time example are under $10 mil.
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I recently heard that a fully functional G550 handles like a Falcon 50 with complete hydraulic failure. Must be quite a stunning aeroplane. 
You poor guys...you've never flown Gulfstreams.
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Max, you are right, what was I thinking.
What's really important when the boss sends a pilot out the door with $15 million dollars to buy a plane is whether he can dog fight a Falcon better then a Gulfstream.
This forum is just such an eye opener. I have learned so much from the pilots here, I mean the depth and wealth of information here is just staggering.
What's really important when the boss sends a pilot out the door with $15 million dollars to buy a plane is whether he can dog fight a Falcon better then a Gulfstream.
This forum is just such an eye opener. I have learned so much from the pilots here, I mean the depth and wealth of information here is just staggering.
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Sure, after all the aircraft is just a toy for us pilots... and that is how we decide on what is bought.
I waxed the tails of some many other bizjets, mainly Gulfstreams, you may call me 'Hartmann'.... actually Iīm running out of spaces for the 'victory swasticas' painted on the fairly large tail of my Sovereign, I'll need a new one fairly soon.
I waxed the tails of some many other bizjets, mainly Gulfstreams, you may call me 'Hartmann'.... actually Iīm running out of spaces for the 'victory swasticas' painted on the fairly large tail of my Sovereign, I'll need a new one fairly soon.
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Devils advocate on the F50EX vs F900EX debate - F900EX is USD 200/hr more extra (apparently - I haven't looked at the book figures) but with a decent broker working for you you can get a F50EX for $5-6m, maybe lower. A good F900EX will be a lot more than that...
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Hi Nuficek,
Have you considered the G280 ?
I would be happy to discuss this option with you, in particular since you already operate a G150.
Please PM me anytime.
Leonard
Have you considered the G280 ?
I would be happy to discuss this option with you, in particular since you already operate a G150.
Please PM me anytime.
Leonard
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FYI - I like the Astra SPX, as fast as anything out there and it goes high. If the boss doesn't dig that cabin, fine...time to blow some money. NBAA numbers out of the door, time to install stripper poles and bedrooms, it's a party.
I used to think common sense flight departments were the way to go, but at this point watching a slew of idiot I know get big jet types for a boss that just wants some 'show'...hell why not - Give him what he wants. You get your $30k type, it's to expensive, the flight department crumbles in a couple of years, you can tell the next guy you flew Challengers, even though you only have 200 hours in one.
I guess I need to get with the program.
I used to think common sense flight departments were the way to go, but at this point watching a slew of idiot I know get big jet types for a boss that just wants some 'show'...hell why not - Give him what he wants. You get your $30k type, it's to expensive, the flight department crumbles in a couple of years, you can tell the next guy you flew Challengers, even though you only have 200 hours in one.
I guess I need to get with the program.
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My dear Vulture, you seem to be banging your head on walls way too much.....
You might want to be a tad more patient with your fellow aviators, ...and more market savvy.....
You might want to be a tad more patient with your fellow aviators, ...and more market savvy.....
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Banging my head is a natural reaction when confronted with so much bull$hit. The thread starter takes the biscuit - opens a debate; denies a type because of a particular reason; sees the error of his ways when his reasoning is incorrect and invents another reason - and this guy it appears is to be tasked by his Boss to look for the next level aircraft. Or then again is he?
My guess, someone else is making the decision and this Goon is desperately trying to do his homework. For that reason, I'm out. Good luck everyone.
My guess, someone else is making the decision and this Goon is desperately trying to do his homework. For that reason, I'm out. Good luck everyone.
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Well mate, you invite youself in, and you invite yourself out. I don't see why you get so hot under the collar, the guy only asked for other folks opinions for christ sake, better than thinking you know it all, like some. All the people that call the shots normally have more than just their pilot to advise them what they need, and most of them already know what they want. We are all corrupted by our own opinions of the aircraft we would like to fly and the boss knows that when he allows you some input. Why call the chap a goon for asking a perfectly reasonable question, rather arrogant what!