EASA Changes the Rules
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EASA Changes the Rules
EASA has decided that other than EASA certification will NOT be accepted in their zone:
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._206492-1.html
This will affect many auslanders and their ability to operate in the EU. Having been a FAA certificated corporate captain in this theater for many years, this is a show stopper. I personally am unwilling to obtain the certification required by JAA - for both expense and superfluous knowledge that will be ram-dumped upon certification.
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Bingo
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._206492-1.html
This will affect many auslanders and their ability to operate in the EU. Having been a FAA certificated corporate captain in this theater for many years, this is a show stopper. I personally am unwilling to obtain the certification required by JAA - for both expense and superfluous knowledge that will be ram-dumped upon certification.
Thoughts?
Bingo
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This is slightly misleading as it refers only to residents of Europe flying 3rd country aircraft where the operator is EU based.
EASA delayed this from 2012 to 2014 for the sole purpose of getting a Bi Lateral agreement re FCL with the USA which all appears pretty stupid if they then bring in the regulations while giving individual states the right to bring them in now?
Yes individual member states have the option not to accept the delay till 2014 but as those regulations stipulate a one year excemption it all becomes a stupid mess.
Apart from that the new regulations run in the face of EU employment protection laws as well as believe it or not age discrimination laws.
EASA are well aware of that.
I am told EASA are seriously looking to a Bi lateral with important discussions with the FAA in June.
The official EASA line is 2014 not now which further shows the shambolic rule making by our so called safety regulators.
I am starting to think a trip to the European Courts might be in order to sort out EASA ( End Aviation Strangle Aviators ) so that they stop playing with real peoples lives to satisfy their purely political ends.
You could always put your operation out of Europe? a few options there
Pace
This is slightly misleading as it refers only to residents of Europe flying 3rd country aircraft where the operator is EU based.
EASA delayed this from 2012 to 2014 for the sole purpose of getting a Bi Lateral agreement re FCL with the USA which all appears pretty stupid if they then bring in the regulations while giving individual states the right to bring them in now?
Yes individual member states have the option not to accept the delay till 2014 but as those regulations stipulate a one year excemption it all becomes a stupid mess.
Apart from that the new regulations run in the face of EU employment protection laws as well as believe it or not age discrimination laws.
EASA are well aware of that.
I am told EASA are seriously looking to a Bi lateral with important discussions with the FAA in June.
The official EASA line is 2014 not now which further shows the shambolic rule making by our so called safety regulators.
I am starting to think a trip to the European Courts might be in order to sort out EASA ( End Aviation Strangle Aviators ) so that they stop playing with real peoples lives to satisfy their purely political ends.
You could always put your operation out of Europe? a few options there
Pace
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This is slightly misleading as it refers only to residents of Europe flying 3rd country aircraft where the operator is EU based.
EASA delayed this from 2012 to 2014 for the sole purpose of getting a Bi Lateral agreement re FCL with the USA.
Yes individual member states have the option not to accept the delay till 2014 but as those regulations stipulate a one year exemption! it all becomes a stupid mess. Who are you supposed to apply to for your year exemption EASA or individual states you fly into? If one accepts 2014 and one 2012? a piss up in a brewery comes to mind!
Apart from that the new regulations run in the face of EU employment protection laws as well as believe it or not age discrimination laws.
EASA are well aware of that.
I am told EASA are seriously looking to a Bi lateral with important discussions with the FAA in June.
The official EASA line is 2014 not now which further shows the shambolic rule making by our so called safety regulators who rules EASA or individual states? They cannot say we are delaying till 2014 and then with the other hand say bring in the rules if you want or not
That is like "one for all all for themselves"
I am starting to think a trip to the European Courts might be in order to sort out this EASA mess. ( End Aviation Strangle Aviators )
EASA are using real people and their livelihoods as disposable pawns in their political games
Pace
This is slightly misleading as it refers only to residents of Europe flying 3rd country aircraft where the operator is EU based.
EASA delayed this from 2012 to 2014 for the sole purpose of getting a Bi Lateral agreement re FCL with the USA.
Yes individual member states have the option not to accept the delay till 2014 but as those regulations stipulate a one year exemption! it all becomes a stupid mess. Who are you supposed to apply to for your year exemption EASA or individual states you fly into? If one accepts 2014 and one 2012? a piss up in a brewery comes to mind!
Apart from that the new regulations run in the face of EU employment protection laws as well as believe it or not age discrimination laws.
EASA are well aware of that.
I am told EASA are seriously looking to a Bi lateral with important discussions with the FAA in June.
The official EASA line is 2014 not now which further shows the shambolic rule making by our so called safety regulators who rules EASA or individual states? They cannot say we are delaying till 2014 and then with the other hand say bring in the rules if you want or not
That is like "one for all all for themselves"
I am starting to think a trip to the European Courts might be in order to sort out this EASA mess. ( End Aviation Strangle Aviators )
EASA are using real people and their livelihoods as disposable pawns in their political games
Pace
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One thing I have clarified which is causing major concern and also a misconception in the threads concerns Derogation!
Derogation concerns flight crew licencing and EASA licences.
It has nothing to do with dual licence requirements which has been moved to 2014 plus one year dispensation for those on a conversion course.
So you are not flying illegally into some EC countries as of now.
Second the 2014 date was placed by EASA for the sole purpose of achieving an FCL Bi Lateral with the USA. The USA achieved a Bi Lateral with Transport Canada.
There is a high powered meeting in June with both parties motivated so maybe things clearer after that.
There will not be a situation where Joe Bloggs student pilot can go get an FAA licence and sidestep the EASA training structure but there maybe a situation where an ATP holder can find a easier way to convert.
Pace
Derogation concerns flight crew licencing and EASA licences.
It has nothing to do with dual licence requirements which has been moved to 2014 plus one year dispensation for those on a conversion course.
So you are not flying illegally into some EC countries as of now.
Second the 2014 date was placed by EASA for the sole purpose of achieving an FCL Bi Lateral with the USA. The USA achieved a Bi Lateral with Transport Canada.
There is a high powered meeting in June with both parties motivated so maybe things clearer after that.
There will not be a situation where Joe Bloggs student pilot can go get an FAA licence and sidestep the EASA training structure but there maybe a situation where an ATP holder can find a easier way to convert.
Pace
Last edited by Pace; 21st Apr 2012 at 09:21.
