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Citations and Garmin Avionics.

Old 27th Oct 2011, 14:34
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Citations and Garmin Avionics.

Cessna recently launched the Citation M2 to replace the Cj1. This has Garmin G3000 avionics as standard.

Is this a sign of things to come, is Garmin in the future of the CJ series, particularly the CJ4. Wven the new Citation Ten has a Garmin suite, namely the G5000.
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Old 27th Oct 2011, 19:10
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Having flown with Garmin, Rockwell Collins, and UNS on a variety of Citations and Mustangs, I prefer the Garmin.

Collins is a true "airline" system, orientated to purely IFR flying, with multiple redundancy of position information, calculated from all possible navaids.

Garmin only uses GPS for enroute navigation, but this is good enough these days. Where it is excels is in mixed IFR/VFR flying. I find it a big aid to overall situational awareness compared to the Collins.
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Old 27th Oct 2011, 23:26
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Having flown with Garmin, Rockwell Collins, and UNS on a variety of Citations and Mustangs, I prefer the Garmin.
Yup - me too.

The Garmin stuff is WAY more intuitive than the Proline 21.
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Old 28th Oct 2011, 09:09
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The Garmin stuff is WAY more intuitive than the Proline 21
I'd err on the other side of the fence. Completely agree that for VFR flying, Garmin is great. But for hard IFR all the time personally I find PL21 a lot more intuitive and simple to operate. It feels as though it was designed with skilled operators in mind, whilst I always feel Garmin think we're all a bit slow so triple check every command before it actually executes it.
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 13:31
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Yes, I'm with SilveKnapper - I have flown both, and much prefer the Collins Proline 21. I find the Garmin to be overloaded with toys that get in my way, whereas the Collins is a perfect match to the mission.
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 11:25
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I enjoy much more flying older King Air aircraft equipped with Garmin GNS series or with the G1000. With Garmin you can very easily and intuitively fly DME arcs and holding patterns; amend, modify, change flight plans and approaches as required and as you see it. The display of the Garmin is also much better for situational awareness.

A major draw-back of the Proline 21 is that it keeps your head DOWN while trying to operate/change/modify the FMS.

IMO Proline 21 is an over-complicated dinosaur, an over-integrated system with an obsolete logic from an earlier century.
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