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Well before making any move to acquire one I'd take a long hard look at the UK/ME/India dealer if I was in those areas.
One might want to be very careful in any dealings there, buyer beware.
Last filed UK accounts show a net corporate valuation below Ģ100......I wonder why?
Factory direct may be the way.
One might want to be very careful in any dealings there, buyer beware.
Last filed UK accounts show a net corporate valuation below Ģ100......I wonder why?
Factory direct may be the way.
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"Also in operating and mx costs? Methinks these airplanes are in a different class, so how comparable are they? One can buy a Chally 600 for WAY less than 3,5, so why bother buying an old Hawker that leaks like a sieve onto the Hangar floor when TKS was used etcetc."
Now you're being silly. Have a think about your statement with regards age and mx operating costs and come back when you know what you are talking about.
Now you're being silly. Have a think about your statement with regards age and mx operating costs and come back when you know what you are talking about.
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@LGW: you point towards a Hawker that is in a different class,and differs considerably in operating and mx costs.
I use the example of Challi vs Hawker to highlight this difference even more and that the price of an airframe alone is almost irrelevant.
Sorry my english is so bad you can`t understand what I mean.
Thanks for pointing this deficiency of mine out to me. I will try to learn hard to become as wise as you are, old owl. Is there a LGW vulture school of aviationknowledge and hard knocks I could attend?
I use the example of Challi vs Hawker to highlight this difference even more and that the price of an airframe alone is almost irrelevant.
Sorry my english is so bad you can`t understand what I mean.
Thanks for pointing this deficiency of mine out to me. I will try to learn hard to become as wise as you are, old owl. Is there a LGW vulture school of aviationknowledge and hard knocks I could attend?
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the vultures at LGW are called the CAA. I'm just about to pay them the third licence replacement fee in under 12 months. One to renew my CPL, then one to upgrade it to an ATPL, and now to turn it into an EASA licence. We your friends.....
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A 'new' 10,000 HR high cycle ex charter 400XT lists at 5.5 mil. A run out 400A with the tubes is a million. Pay 600k for engines. 75k for paint/Interior. Now put them at Seatac for a horse race to Miami. Neither can go non stop, neither restricted to FL400 any more.... I just ran the numbers... Anyone care to guess what the extra $4 million outlay buys you in the XT when you land in Miami?
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Well,
the 5.5 mil you are talking about are not correct. 5.5 payed the last operator buying a XT because of many special options. BUT:
XT and XPR idea is:
Buy an older horse 400A for around 600K (and thats not the 10.000h birds - actually you can get 4.000h with 4 PL4 tubes for around 450K) or pay 1.5 mil. for an NJE 1.500h bird.
Than pay around 2.6 mil to XT nextant or XPR hawker and you have a great competitor.
Difference between XT to XRP:
XT startet to upgrade process and therefore I agree : the cockpit looks a bit piece to piece work.
the new XPR cockpit is something new. Hawker learned from nextants errors and made it look like one nice piece. The screens and panel have the same color. They changed the peanut gages (Stby instr.) to one nice L3 stand allone digital one. and the whole panel locks cleaners. + XPR will increase the wingspan and you get great looking winglets as well to increase performance again.
XT and XPR produce a bird with new avionic, new engines and mostly new cabin.
YES: the fuselage is old. Yes there is still a crappy fuel system with no pressure refueling.
But have you ever tryed the new CJ4? The performance is comparable. The Cabin is better (depends on your customer and how you change the seats and cabinet for eg) and the CJ4 price is more than doubbled.
But 2.000NM range with .775 and a great PL21 with IFIS and total paperless work in cockpit is great (yes - there is still a paper flight log)
I have flown more than 25 diffrent birds in the Mu300/Be400 series and never had a problem of leaking. I don`t know who is your mechanic, but our birds are parked in a hangar with white bottom color. And so the boss sees every problem of leakage. But we never had one.
the 5.5 mil you are talking about are not correct. 5.5 payed the last operator buying a XT because of many special options. BUT:
XT and XPR idea is:
Buy an older horse 400A for around 600K (and thats not the 10.000h birds - actually you can get 4.000h with 4 PL4 tubes for around 450K) or pay 1.5 mil. for an NJE 1.500h bird.
Than pay around 2.6 mil to XT nextant or XPR hawker and you have a great competitor.
Difference between XT to XRP:
XT startet to upgrade process and therefore I agree : the cockpit looks a bit piece to piece work.
the new XPR cockpit is something new. Hawker learned from nextants errors and made it look like one nice piece. The screens and panel have the same color. They changed the peanut gages (Stby instr.) to one nice L3 stand allone digital one. and the whole panel locks cleaners. + XPR will increase the wingspan and you get great looking winglets as well to increase performance again.
XT and XPR produce a bird with new avionic, new engines and mostly new cabin.
YES: the fuselage is old. Yes there is still a crappy fuel system with no pressure refueling.
But have you ever tryed the new CJ4? The performance is comparable. The Cabin is better (depends on your customer and how you change the seats and cabinet for eg) and the CJ4 price is more than doubbled.
But 2.000NM range with .775 and a great PL21 with IFIS and total paperless work in cockpit is great (yes - there is still a paper flight log
)I have flown more than 25 diffrent birds in the Mu300/Be400 series and never had a problem of leaking. I don`t know who is your mechanic, but our birds are parked in a hangar with white bottom color. And so the boss sees every problem of leakage. But we never had one.
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Well,
It's been a while since the last post on this thread. I would like to know how many 400XT and XPR are in active service nowadays. I flew the 400A and 400XP and can only tell good things about it. It's a small business jet so do not ask for APU and things like that. It's quite capable for it's league.
Beechjet 400A/Hawker 400XP/Nextant 400XT | Business Aviation content from Aviation Week
It's been a while since the last post on this thread. I would like to know how many 400XT and XPR are in active service nowadays. I flew the 400A and 400XP and can only tell good things about it. It's a small business jet so do not ask for APU and things like that. It's quite capable for it's league.
Beechjet 400A/Hawker 400XP/Nextant 400XT | Business Aviation content from Aviation Week
XPRs in service: Nil
So far itīs only a marketing hype with basically very little substance behind it. Canīt see why Textron, the new owner of the program, would be interested to promote a competitor to itīs Citation line. So, donīt hold your breath.
So far itīs only a marketing hype with basically very little substance behind it. Canīt see why Textron, the new owner of the program, would be interested to promote a competitor to itīs Citation line. So, donīt hold your breath.
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I wonder if they feel they have to to try and stop nextant.
Plenty Nextants being sold, and a lot of good feedback. The main issue I see is support. Beech will not supply parts for a nextant conversion. But in value for money terms it looks fantastic.
Plenty Nextants being sold, and a lot of good feedback. The main issue I see is support. Beech will not supply parts for a nextant conversion. But in value for money terms it looks fantastic.
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XPR is not in service.
I am working close to the project and waiting for first official Ferry Flight. Plane is ready, engine run went really well, but FAA is still checking papers for STC. Maybe in 2 month I can send a detailed report of ridding that horse across USA
I am working close to the project and waiting for first official Ferry Flight. Plane is ready, engine run went really well, but FAA is still checking papers for STC. Maybe in 2 month I can send a detailed report of ridding that horse across USA
