Flying N reg bizjet on IOM register with UK ATPL

[chulmleigh]

Hi.
What are the licence requirements for flying as co-pilot on N reg aircraft
on the Isle of Man register. Strange concoction I know, but anyone got any ideas?
The aircraft is privately owned. Thanks.

[merlinxx]

Can't be N reg if on the M reg

[chulmleigh]

Sorry. I meant an american aircraft on IOM register with uk ATPL.

[itsbrokenagain]

Actually I wrote a post, and now I will delete it as its doesnt make sense reading yours again, are you saying flying say a American made Cessna on the IOM registry ??

Your licensed to fly any aircraft that can be registered in a JAA member state as long as you meet the training requirements of that type....who cares where it is made.

[chulmleigh]

Thanks itsbrokenagain
I got the wrong end of the stick from some third party info.
Read your post before you deleted it and you got it right.
American Company owned IOM registered aircraft, and
the query was whether it could legally be flown with a UK ATPL.
Many thanks (wish I hadn't asked now !!!! )

[cambioso]

OH GOD...........why do we bother..............!!

[NuName]

Bad day for a hangover translation ayone? Could it be meaning American owned and Manx reg? If it is that then providing you have the type rating IOM will give you a validation.

[Rusty Trombone]

Registry IOM

Just to avoid any confusion here on this as I have done this recently.

IOM accepts a aircraft from a member ICOA registered state or EASA then its re-Registered using the M-Number assigned.

The Aircraft owner operator has to have a Company Based in the IOM to register the Aircraft if this is unable as the Owner is a non Eu Citizen he then appoints a company on their behalf to set up the company.

IOM accepts FAA and EASA licenses with one exception FAA SIC are not valid under the CAA Overseas territory of which the IOM follows so to act even as SIC you have to have a Current Type rating with PIC qualification, this is applicable for all aircraft which require 2 crew members to operate.

Hope this helps

[NuName]

Not quite true Rusty, I have a IOM validation on a Challenger using a FAA SIC.

[Fossy]

Rusty, just to clarify some more statements of your post:

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CAA Overseas-

IOM is not following the OTAR's since this is not an overseas country. This is for Bermuda, Cayman, BVI, Falklands etc.

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The Aircraft owner operator has to have a Company Based in the IOM to register the Aircraft

- The Owner (operator doesn't count) needs to fulfil one the following:

source IOM RP2:

(3) The following persons and no others shall be qualified to hold a legal or beneficial interest by way of ownership in an aircraft registered in the Isle of Man or a share therein—
(a) the Crown in right of the Isle of Man or the United Kingdom;
(b) Commonwealth citizens;
(c) Nationals of any EEA State;
(d) British protected persons;
(e) bodies incorporated in some part of the Commonwealth and having their principal place of business in any part of the Commonwealth; and
(f) undertakings formed in accordance with the law of an EEA State and having their registered office, central administration or principal place of business within the European Economic Area.

(4) If an unqualified person—
(g) residing or having a place of business in the Isle of Man holds a legal or beneficial interest by way of ownership in an aircraft, or a share therein, the Department, upon being satisfied that the aircraft may otherwise be properly so registered, may register the aircraft in the Isle of Man;
(h) has registered an aircraft in pursuance of this paragraph he shall not cause or permit the aircraft, while it is so registered, to be used for the purpose of public transport or aerial work.
(5) If an aircraft is chartered by demise to a person qualified as aforesaid the Department may, whether or not an unqualified person is entitled as owner to a legal or beneficial interest therein, register the aircraft in the Isle of Man in the name of the charterer by demise upon being satisfied that the aircraft may otherwise be properly so registered, and subject to the provisions of this article the aircraft may remain so registered during the continuation of the charter.

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IOM accepts FAA and EASA licenses

- to the best of my knowledge, the validation isn't restricted to FAA or EASA licenses

source ANO:

22.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Department may, subject to such conditions as it thinks fit, issue a certificate of validation of a flight crew licence of a class specified in Schedule 6 or of an equivalent licence class, issued by an NAA, subject to the type ratings and privileges attached
thereto by the issuing authority, for the purpose of authorising the holder to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the Isle of Man.

[Rusty Trombone]

Clarification

Thanks for the clarification, I suggest the individual contacts the IOM for any clarification.

This was purely a Guide of what to expect for registration VAT implications and Crew licensing as the original post was very poorly written.

I am however 99.9% sure that a FAA license with SIC rating only will not be accepted to operated under a validation by the IOM, they are following what was laid out in the OVERSEAS for Bermuda and Cayman.


IOM will accept licenses from approved member states as you have clearly pointed out but must be approved this applies to engineers and mechanics as well.

[NuName]

Steady on Rusty, that means you are 99.9% sure that I am a liar, not very friendly is it. I say again, I have a validation from IOM issued on a FAA SIC, on another type for which I am PIC I often fly with a couple of co pilots who are validated in the same way. I would check your facts a bit more carefully before making statements like this.

[cambioso]

Rusty, you are talking mis-informed bollocks!
Wind your neck in and comment when you have FACTS not unsubstantiated personal theories. You make "99.9%" statements that are rubbish and confuse people!
The Manx DO NOT require a Manx registered company. FACT
The Manx DO accept FAA SIC ratings. FACT
End of lesson, now go and get some Duraglit and shine yourself up!!

:-)

Jez

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Rusty..

Theres a few guys out there who validated a UK CPL onto a FAA Foreign Based PPL which was used to "Park" a FAA Type Rating (p1 or SIC) on. As this Type had "US - TEST PASSED" on it it could get transferred directly onto a US ATP later on in a persons career.

As the license is already a validation of a foreign license IOM wont validate it unfortunately. In the main they tend to be SIC guys who try to do this and get knocked back - could it be this you're thinking of?

[SpeedbirdXK8]

Why don't you phone Brian Johnson, Director of Civil Aviation IoM 01624 682357. He is very friendly and extremely helpful. His flying CV is second to none so he knows what he talking about.

[Pace]

IOM accepts FAA and EASA licenses with one exception FAA SIC are not valid under the CAA Overseas territory of which the IOM follows so to act even as SIC you have to have a Current Type rating with PIC qualification, this is applicable for all aircraft which require 2 crew members to operate.

Rusty

Think the IOM had that stance but have now changed it. Spoke with them directly and an SIC is good!

Pace

[Gear Monkey]

I don't know if it adds anything to the above, but the ever-helpful IOM people confirmed to me last year, both verbally and by email, that they would validate an FAA SIC as P2 on a BD700.

[Rusty Trombone]

IOM

Well thanks for all the nice replies given such a relief. It was in the intention when the IOM was developed to follow the CAA regulations.
Its nice to know that they have indeed accepted SIC from FAA Validations.

I apologize for my 99% comment however making rude gestures is not the method of communication on any forum

Well thats enough of that for now good luck the IOM are a delight to deal with on so many aspects.
Having assigned 4 aircraft to the register its a fantastic system.