FlightSafety Challenger 605 Jobs
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FlightSafety Challenger 605 Jobs
I hear that FlightSafety in Farnborough is recruiting instructors for their new Challenger 605 simulator. Does anyone know anything about this?
What qualifications do you need?
What qualifications do you need?
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I know someone who works there and apparently the sim isn't there yet.. they are expecting it early next year..... some guy who was BA is running it, apparently they are looking for experience on type thats why they are advertising
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I didn't know that they had any Gulfstream training in HK, is this something new?
... And I just did recurrent in Dallas a few weeks ago, and spoke with an instructor. Seems that most centers are looking more than they let on, so if you're interested in instructing, ask around next time you're there. I'd like to hear differing opinions.
... And I just did recurrent in Dallas a few weeks ago, and spoke with an instructor. Seems that most centers are looking more than they let on, so if you're interested in instructing, ask around next time you're there. I'd like to hear differing opinions.
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its so new they arent even there yet..... I have a friend who works for FlightSafety and he said they are training on the G550 in Jan 2012... they are looking now for instructors...
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Judihuiiiiiiii from Switzerland,
just read this thread and thought I would let you know that my company just sent me to Farnborough for training. After years of training in FSI in the US, I have to say they really raised the bar.........none of this "well done pilot", "great job" stuff, just pure tought quality training. Felt like being in the wrong movie at first (thought they are out to give me a hard time), but I guess I was wrong. Learned a lot and met a lot of really nice people. I wished it would have been like that my whole flying career....
Talked with the instructor about future programs and he showd me the empty sim bay where the 605 will be..... he said there was a Q400 in there before. 605 is not for me though, if it says long range on it, it will fly long range, Lol. I don't want to spend even more night in hotels. Maybe instruction doesn't sound so bad, home every night (or at least once every day
).......oh what a dream.......
By the way, did you all see how the our swissy boy Federer won tonight.....this is how we do it in the country of Swatch, chocolate, cheese and cow bells
....Ya'll have a good night, it's late in the mountains.....
just read this thread and thought I would let you know that my company just sent me to Farnborough for training. After years of training in FSI in the US, I have to say they really raised the bar.........none of this "well done pilot", "great job" stuff, just pure tought quality training. Felt like being in the wrong movie at first (thought they are out to give me a hard time), but I guess I was wrong. Learned a lot and met a lot of really nice people. I wished it would have been like that my whole flying career....
Talked with the instructor about future programs and he showd me the empty sim bay where the 605 will be..... he said there was a Q400 in there before. 605 is not for me though, if it says long range on it, it will fly long range, Lol. I don't want to spend even more night in hotels. Maybe instruction doesn't sound so bad, home every night (or at least once every day
).......oh what a dream.......By the way, did you all see how the our swissy boy Federer won tonight.....this is how we do it in the country of Swatch, chocolate, cheese and cow bells
....Ya'll have a good night, it's late in the mountains.....
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dont know about pay.... my friend has been there a few years and he hasnt complained... I know he says CAE have offered him before but he wasnt tempted......I think that he said FlightSafety was more secure and he likes the people.
really money would be something you would have to talk to Flightsafety about
really money would be something you would have to talk to Flightsafety about
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With FSI a lot depends on which learning center you're employed at. The large ones, Atlanta, Huston etc will operate 24/7 and almost 365 days a year. Not so different from airline scheduling. Yes you do get to go home every day but it may be at 0400 or to an empty house in the middle of the day. At first you will find it challenging and as you progress in the classroom and the sim it becomes a rewarding experience. Beyond that it will be largely dependant on your own temperament as to how satisfied you are with the life. It does become repetitious and in my case after a couple of years I found that job satisfaction was largely dependant on what interaction existed in the classroom... for the most part it's pretty positive as you're dealing with professionals eagre to do well but it's not always the case. Another consideration is the lack of potential to progress. There are few opportunities for promotion and even a sideways move to re-kindle the enthusiasm is unlikely to be available. For someone in their later years this is generally not an issue and it makes for a good semi-retirement move but for someone younger it is a consideration. Another misconception is that it is a comfortable life of ease. It's quite draining. Before going into the classroom there's pre-tutoring work to do, checking a number of issues relating to qualifications of each student, even ensuring that all the preperatory work done by the admin and training managers has been done correctly.. it's down to the instructor ultimately not to have missed anything that would require the student to be brought back from half way around the world at FSIs expense to redo a sim ride... Once in the classroom or the sim you are totally focused with everyone focused on you as the instructor.. the students will vary according to ability and enthusiasm and it's up to you to recognise strengths and weaknesses.. too much time helping one slow student will result in you losing the attention of the brighter ones.. during the break you'll be preparing for the next session/subject or sim work... As we used to say "There's no 'cruise' section for instructors" . I would often be at the center at 0600 and leave at 1800 with no real break in the day except maybe a 20 minute lunch and the whole day would be pressured.
You can find yourself working a very long week, at the center I worked at 60+ hours was not unusual though I wouldn't claim it as the norm. It will vary with the months. Until a couple of years ago there existed an 'Instructor Incentive Plan' which resulted in a considerable increase in income if certain hourly thresholds were exceeded, this at least offset to some extent the fatigue. Unfortunately the management recognising that in the current job market people had few options open to them they decided that they didn't need to continue with the plan and so we all went back to the basic salary.
As I said at the beginning, a lot will depend on which center you're employed at and the policy of the Center Manager. Ours employed a policy of not allowing (full time) instructors to fly professionally during their 'off' time which would have added some interest and been a boost to the coffers, other Center Managers actively encourage their instructors to fly, especially on the type they're training on in order to remain current.... I've heard it said that 3 years is a typical time for instructors to remain.. I have no idea if this is true though it was in my case, and it probably refers to instructors well below retirement age. I found it a rewarding experience, I'm very grateful to FSI for the opportunity it offered me and I left on very good terms, I would consider doing it on a part time basis but would not want pursue it again full-time.. Nice to have the T Shirt.
You can find yourself working a very long week, at the center I worked at 60+ hours was not unusual though I wouldn't claim it as the norm. It will vary with the months. Until a couple of years ago there existed an 'Instructor Incentive Plan' which resulted in a considerable increase in income if certain hourly thresholds were exceeded, this at least offset to some extent the fatigue. Unfortunately the management recognising that in the current job market people had few options open to them they decided that they didn't need to continue with the plan and so we all went back to the basic salary.
As I said at the beginning, a lot will depend on which center you're employed at and the policy of the Center Manager. Ours employed a policy of not allowing (full time) instructors to fly professionally during their 'off' time which would have added some interest and been a boost to the coffers, other Center Managers actively encourage their instructors to fly, especially on the type they're training on in order to remain current.... I've heard it said that 3 years is a typical time for instructors to remain.. I have no idea if this is true though it was in my case, and it probably refers to instructors well below retirement age. I found it a rewarding experience, I'm very grateful to FSI for the opportunity it offered me and I left on very good terms, I would consider doing it on a part time basis but would not want pursue it again full-time.. Nice to have the T Shirt.
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Nice post MungoP,
Regarding the three years you mentioned. It was explained to me by an instructor that FSI considers 3 years to be a break even point on employment.
They invest a large period of time having new guys sit in on 2 initials then 2 recurrents, then they prepare their training notes, then practice giving instruction to other instructors, and finally, they are turned loose on "real" students. The process takes 6 mo for a sharp guy with flying and instructing background up to a year for lesser trained guys.
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Regarding the three years you mentioned. It was explained to me by an instructor that FSI considers 3 years to be a break even point on employment.
They invest a large period of time having new guys sit in on 2 initials then 2 recurrents, then they prepare their training notes, then practice giving instruction to other instructors, and finally, they are turned loose on "real" students. The process takes 6 mo for a sharp guy with flying and instructing background up to a year for lesser trained guys.
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OK, I've done some research and here's the deal, at least what I have found out.
The sim is coming next year but FSI is recruiting right now and places are limited. I heard about this 3 year deal as well and it seems that is the length of the bond period. The pay is around 60K. The guys (mainly NetJets) who I have spoken to, all reckon Farnborough has a good reputation for training. For the 605, they want Challenger experience, but apparently there may be other types available.
The sim is coming next year but FSI is recruiting right now and places are limited. I heard about this 3 year deal as well and it seems that is the length of the bond period. The pay is around 60K. The guys (mainly NetJets) who I have spoken to, all reckon Farnborough has a good reputation for training. For the 605, they want Challenger experience, but apparently there may be other types available.
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People I know there say it's a neat place to work, great facilities and real training environment (no box-ticking). The Challenger will be a great addition to their fleet....... my company's got two, so maybe I'll get the chance one day?
The Hawker 850 works fine for me now-----after 4.5 hours up there I'm keen to get down here again!
Anyone who gets the job will be in for a pleasant surprise based on my experience........
The Hawker 850 works fine for me now-----after 4.5 hours up there I'm keen to get down here again!
Anyone who gets the job will be in for a pleasant surprise based on my experience........
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I prefer the US system to the European system of training. The US simplify things as much as possible, The Europeans tend to want to complicate things.
Ever heard of KISS?
Also the cost of training in Europe are much more than in the USA.
Just my 2 pence worth.
I prefer the US system to the European system of training. The US simplify things as much as possible, The Europeans tend to want to complicate things.
Ever heard of KISS?
Also the cost of training in Europe are much more than in the USA.
Just my 2 pence worth.
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Personally I prefer the quality from the European system. At least when I finish training I feel some value added benefit to my flying. Maybe its not for everyone, depends if you want safety or an easy check.
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Great comment. I just trained at Farnborough. Some of the best training I ever had. They make you work, but boy do you learn some good stuff. Has anyone applied for the Challenger 605 positions yet? What were the interviews like?
