New job offer.... Contract contains recurrent training bond.
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Recurrent Training Bond.
Recurrent Training bond in contracts can be attempted to be enforced in a court of law.
However with this in mind under european law in which you are residing in a member country european law has to be taken in to consideration.
without reviewing the contract its difficult to make a decision on this web site.
Enforcement of Recurrent training is mandated by the authorities and insurance company and any refresher trainer which is at the expense of the employer for the employee to carry out his or her duties as a flight crew member.
In european decree any recurrent training performed to carry out duties which are currently being carried out by the employee is classed as a Employer expense.
This may be challenged etc by the employers legal team but I am afraid its a very thin line they will try to enforce.
Hope this helps.
However with this in mind under european law in which you are residing in a member country european law has to be taken in to consideration.
without reviewing the contract its difficult to make a decision on this web site.
Enforcement of Recurrent training is mandated by the authorities and insurance company and any refresher trainer which is at the expense of the employer for the employee to carry out his or her duties as a flight crew member.
In european decree any recurrent training performed to carry out duties which are currently being carried out by the employee is classed as a Employer expense.
This may be challenged etc by the employers legal team but I am afraid its a very thin line they will try to enforce.
Hope this helps.
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Global Express Training Bonds
Two days ago I spoke to a Global owner who's crew will retire later this year.
He is looking for two guys right now to replace them, but he is afraid that any bonding clause will not stand up in court, and he certainly isn't gonna take the chance on a $30K + rating.
In view of this, rather than give new guys a chance, he is forced to look only for crew already rated.
But here's the catch......he pays them back (over four years) for the rating they already have, by way of a bonus!
He is looking for two guys right now to replace them, but he is afraid that any bonding clause will not stand up in court, and he certainly isn't gonna take the chance on a $30K + rating.
In view of this, rather than give new guys a chance, he is forced to look only for crew already rated.
But here's the catch......he pays them back (over four years) for the rating they already have, by way of a bonus!
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A friend of mine had to sign a bond for his G550 even though he already had a rating. This was called a "re-currency bond" in the contract. When he looked at leaving he told the next company he couldn't leave unless they bought him out of this bond. There was about 14,000USD left and they chose to do this.
I am not keen on the idea but as long as companies make you sign a recurrent bond then they should be prepared to buy out the remainder of your currency. Otherwise that company is just trying to have their cake and eat it too. Just my 2 cents.
I am not keen on the idea but as long as companies make you sign a recurrent bond then they should be prepared to buy out the remainder of your currency. Otherwise that company is just trying to have their cake and eat it too. Just my 2 cents.
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Slight thread drift, but related to training costs;
What happened to the company that was "pooling" potential course candidates, negotiating bulk discounts with training providers, and then sharing the savings?
I need two GLEX courses....or two qualified crew. Anyone else looking for a GLEX rating, please PM me to see if we can get a bulk deal.
What happened to the company that was "pooling" potential course candidates, negotiating bulk discounts with training providers, and then sharing the savings?
I need two GLEX courses....or two qualified crew. Anyone else looking for a GLEX rating, please PM me to see if we can get a bulk deal.
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This thread lives in the world of low time pilots, being so inexperienced that they will bend over for a little flight time...
In the real world when you have a good paying jet job, your current, your making money, you have a nice house, you don't need to move...and some guy wants you to work for him....do you think he's gonna hit you up with training bonds and such?
This is all about certain employers who chum for a particular type of pilot...this is low rent stuff, bottom of barrel, charter ops, or 91 operators that tend to hire the cheapest they can find then hold them to contract knowing the job sucks and the guy will walk as soon as he sees what's going on.
In the real world when you have a good paying jet job, your current, your making money, you have a nice house, you don't need to move...and some guy wants you to work for him....do you think he's gonna hit you up with training bonds and such?
This is all about certain employers who chum for a particular type of pilot...this is low rent stuff, bottom of barrel, charter ops, or 91 operators that tend to hire the cheapest they can find then hold them to contract knowing the job sucks and the guy will walk as soon as he sees what's going on.
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Went for an interview recently and the company said they will bond re-currents for the first 3 years, by way of a decreasing pro rata figure, and then no more recurrent bonds.
I think that is fair?
I think that is fair?
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Then watch at that company as the pilot pool becomes more and more lower time and less experienced by the year..
They think that by holding guys to a contract they are solving retention issues...when in fact there are quite a few ways out of a training bond and most have figured out how to do it.
Training bonds don't keep people around, they still jump when the right job comes up.
It's a little bit like the military..people leave early, may not be as easy as quitting but there's always a way out.
They think that by holding guys to a contract they are solving retention issues...when in fact there are quite a few ways out of a training bond and most have figured out how to do it.
Training bonds don't keep people around, they still jump when the right job comes up.
It's a little bit like the military..people leave early, may not be as easy as quitting but there's always a way out.
