salary for cj copilots

[Cecco]

Hi everybody, I've been looking around recently what other cj fo jobs are available in Germany. First thing I noted is that almost all companies with cjs only employ freelancers. Are there no companies anymore, which offer a fixed job for cj copilots? Secondly, I was wondering what consitutes a normal monthly wage? One company said that they would pay first officers fresh from school 2300€, and copilots with more experience 2600€. Then, there is a company, which pays 1800€...Are there people out there who only do freelance flying and nothing else and get by o.k?

Happy flying!
Cecco

[oz_faf81]

Hi,

Are you talking gross or net figures ?

I work for a french company flying under a french AOC, CJ copilots receive something like a monthly 2300 euros gross salary. In France, like in Germany, taxes are quite high. That means they end up with around 1600 to 1700 take home salary for a single guy copilot.

As you may know, there are plenty of type rated pilots available on the market, so, why a company would take the risk of hiring guys on a full time contract if they can have them as freelancers ?

[Cecco]

@oz_faf81

I mean gross figures. Of course, this makes sense that freelancers are more suitable for companies. But the question is: are there still companies, which are suitable to cj copilots, i.e, offer a full-time contract? Your statement that the cj copilots in your company receive 2300€ implies that they are actually contracted full-time, correct? At your company, are things like CRM/ESET/firefighting course, medical, opcs covered by the company or do the copilots have to pay that themselves?

[oz_faf81]

Yes, that's full time contracts and the company pays for everything. Nevertheless, 1600 euros net salary is very little money if you have to live downtown or around Paris.

[Energetic Pilot]

Our Co-pilots (CJ, souther Germany) get 3600 euros gross. This contracts were signed 2007/2008

[rcm112]

On the topic of cjs has anyone recently taken a cj1/2 type rating at bristol or in germany and was it completed on budget.

[INNflight]

2300 gross is an awfully low figure indeed. I'd have said around 2000 net would be a good average.

[dirk85]

1600 net including per diems or not?

[oz_faf81]

No per diems in our company, they will just give you a transportation allowance of 20ish euros everytime you have to go to work. (about 200 euros a month).

[LearjetGA]

1600 to 1800 EUR (Gross) in Austria (14 times) if low hours

[mutt]

Can you please tell me how much time on duty do you have per month? And how much flying time?

Mutt

[Trim Stab]

The Ts and Cs for CJ captains are still ok - but for copilots it is virtually pay-to-fly - and getting worse.

The problem is principally the use (or misuse) of freelance copilots. Companies are unwilling to pay fixed salaries to copilots, preferring to abuse the wilingness of inexperienced copilots to fly for nothing, leaving captains with an increased workload.

Unlike airlines, some business aviation companies give new copilots no line training at all, and they are not capable of flying the aircraft alone in an emergency. As soon as a copilot is experienced enough to manage the aircraft, along comes another newly type-rated copilot who is prepared to fly for even less and the cycle starts again.

I would like to see regulations in place to stop the use of inexperienced freelancers - for example no free-lance flying until 200 hours on type or something similar. I can't see it ever happening though...