Help with our first Biz Jet please.

[Elastoboy]

Some very good ideas here, Thank you.

As we continue with the selection process, our list of questions gets, longer instead of shorter.
We recognized that our requirements was a stretch and we would need to make compromises!
As the evaluation continues, it appears that larger craft do have an edge, but short field performance keeps coming up as a factor that needs to be addressed.
In saying that, can anyone offer pros/cons of a Falcon 2000 in heavy snow and icing conditions and field performance data please?
Also if we are thinking "out of the box" how could a 328 jet (rather a unique product!) compare for up-time when looking at a commercial aircraft vs a biz product?

Thank you all again.

E boy

[His dudeness]

but short field performance keeps coming up as a factor that needs to be addressed.

YouŽll hardly find anything better than the Sovereign when it comes to short field takeoff. I operate out of a field with 3675ft TODA and 3323ft LDA (not commercially, runway grooved, using a LDR factor of 1,25, I can tanker loads of fuel). You can find all the Sovs numbers in here:

https://support.cessna.com/docs/cust...ov/FPG-CSv.pdf


We do have a CL300 and a Falcon 2000 homebased here, both are severely limited in T/O performance. (they say, they can go 400-600nm out of that field at ISA, the Sov could go at MTOM). The 300 has no issue landingwise (not commercially again), the Falcon boys are a bit more restricted I understand.

We do have 328Props at the field, that seem to require a lot of maintenance, we often see flights cancelled or delayed - and they have their own maintenance there. Mind you, that is an airline, doing lots of hours so that could be the key to it.

I do have experience with the 300 and the Sov as mx manager, and the 300 gave us a lot of headaches in the beginning. Bombardier pays a experienced contract pilot to fly the first 2 weeks with you when you buy a new one. That is a real good thing, one learns a lot of how to handle the systems.
Field service by Bombardier was good and Cessna is on par with them. How that would be with a Do I can only guess.
If you go to remote places consider what gnd equipment is there. the Sov has electric starters, the one on the APU is the same than on the engines. The 300 is started with APU bleed. Is there a GPU and/or an airstart cart?
I had the APU fail (shaft bearing failure) on the 300. Whilst according to the book one could start the Sov with batts only, if its really cold I would not like to try that...

[G-SPOTs Lost]

I agree with HD, the 680 is a good compromise that will probably tick the most boxes...... at sea level with 10 knots over the nose there's very little that will come anywhere near it in terms of performance.

Theres more glamorous aircraft out there, but the way the thing stops and goes just never gets old

The extra cabin length of the Sovereign also makes it look a lot less busy down the back when all the seats are full.

A big cabin would be very nice though admittedly,with "normal" pax luggage I've always bulked out rather than been weight limited in the hold. Theres also a 30" deep closet in the toliet with a hangin rail and shelves that swallows quite a lot of stuff

Work on 700-750lbs a side per hour at FL430

[RCRX]

Right now would be a great time to pick up a G-!V.