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In answer to last 2 posts, as far as I know new price for 2011 delivery (which is next slot I am told) is around $7.25m. I understand from the factory guys that EASA completed their test flying of the SJ30 OK but left the factory with lots of actions to stress test things and do other exercises that they thought necessary for European certification that the Feds did not. We have not got a date yet out of the factory for this to be completed.
Falcon 10's are great aircraft, which seem to be much loved by most people who have flown them. Dont know if Ed Swearingen ever flew one of them, but the SJ30 does look suspiciously like one!
Falcon 10's are great aircraft, which seem to be much loved by most people who have flown them. Dont know if Ed Swearingen ever flew one of them, but the SJ30 does look suspiciously like one!
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I think operating costs should be considerably lower on the SJ30 compared to the Falcon 10, being a lot lighter, and having simpler systems. The cabin is also smaller on the SJ30.
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One just delivered to Morgan Freeman last month was S/N 10
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Very cool. I love when unique planes come out. Tiny cabin comfortable for 2-4, fitted in a plane with good midsize range and performance, for a very accessible price. A lot of people will probably figure that they usually fly with less than 4 passengers and that they couldn't give up that range for that price.
It was looking like Dassault was going to be doing something similar at the higher end with their next plane ("Falcon SMS"), since we learned that they requested designs for 10,000lb thrust engines on a plane where they talked about the cabin being about the size of a G250 or Challenger 300. The G250 uses only 7,500lb engines. Even the large cabin Falcon 2000 series uses only 7,000lb engines and the Falcon 900 uses 3x5,000lb engines. But this interesting program seems to have been put on hold, and they seem to be reevaluating what exactly they're trying to sell with their next plane.
G250 cabin with true 10 hour range at for a huge discount compared to the G450 and Global 5000.
It was looking like Dassault was going to be doing something similar at the higher end with their next plane ("Falcon SMS"), since we learned that they requested designs for 10,000lb thrust engines on a plane where they talked about the cabin being about the size of a G250 or Challenger 300. The G250 uses only 7,500lb engines. Even the large cabin Falcon 2000 series uses only 7,000lb engines and the Falcon 900 uses 3x5,000lb engines. But this interesting program seems to have been put on hold, and they seem to be reevaluating what exactly they're trying to sell with their next plane.
G250 cabin with true 10 hour range at for a huge discount compared to the G450 and Global 5000.
Who would like to sit in a G250 or CL300 cabin for TEN hours? I can barely get thru 10 in a GLEX. 
Interesting plane, though, esp. in these times.
GF
Interesting plane, though, esp. in these times.GF
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SJ30s Flying in the World
We have 4 production aircraft delivered and more on the way. Last one was SN 010 which belongs to Morgan Freeman. They are on their second trip to Europe since delivery less than 2 months ago and have already racked up nearly 160 hrs. They have made trips all over US, South Africa, Middle East, Europe, and Canada with no maintenance issues.
They have shown the value of the SJ30 - its ability to fly the N Atlantic (St Johns to Azores or Goose to London) with no stops in between and to do it with speed. M 0.83 thru FL330, M 0.80 thru FL450, and M0.76 at FL490.
It really can be used for transoceanic flying.
And all at a sea level cabin thru FL410 thanks to a 12 psi cabin.
They have shown the value of the SJ30 - its ability to fly the N Atlantic (St Johns to Azores or Goose to London) with no stops in between and to do it with speed. M 0.83 thru FL330, M 0.80 thru FL450, and M0.76 at FL490.
It really can be used for transoceanic flying.
And all at a sea level cabin thru FL410 thanks to a 12 psi cabin.
Have been following the development of this plane all along.
Looks like a terrific design. Have always been impressed with the 12 psi differential pressurization.
Having flow both single pilot Citations and the magnificent Falcon 10 would love to get a shot at an SJ 30.
The only dissapointment is that I thought it was suppose to have a 3000 mile range. This is a really nice number for being able to go Europe directly to the US East coast.I wonder if there are any plans for a range increase in the future?
Looks like a terrific design. Have always been impressed with the 12 psi differential pressurization.
Having flow both single pilot Citations and the magnificent Falcon 10 would love to get a shot at an SJ 30.
The only dissapointment is that I thought it was suppose to have a 3000 mile range. This is a really nice number for being able to go Europe directly to the US East coast.I wonder if there are any plans for a range increase in the future?
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Beautiful aircraft, and M. Freeman's glowing comments have to be very welcome publicity. Have there been additional deliveries so far this year in the wake of this publicity?
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No - according to my records! Good range, cabin far too small for that range however. Sorry to say, dead duck - will never be a commercial success! 
....get's ready for the flack!
....get's ready for the flack!
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SJ30 production;
001 N30SJ destroyed in 1999 had a 'short fuselage'
002 N138BF destroyed in fatal crash 2003 'short fuselage'
003 N30SJ prototype donated to Lonestar Museum TX
004 N404SJ prototype ex N709HB
005 N50SJ first production aircraft
006 N30SJ Eminvest Dubai ex N60SJ/N901HB
007 N7SJ Hamish Harding (Eminvest Investor)
008 N200DV Deju Vu strip clubs
009 ???????
010 N30GZ Morgan Freeman
So two deliveries appear to be to themselves, and Deju Vu, and Freeman are
the first two customer aircraft.
Action Aviation - SJ30 S007 Photo
001 N30SJ destroyed in 1999 had a 'short fuselage'
002 N138BF destroyed in fatal crash 2003 'short fuselage'
003 N30SJ prototype donated to Lonestar Museum TX
004 N404SJ prototype ex N709HB
005 N50SJ first production aircraft
006 N30SJ Eminvest Dubai ex N60SJ/N901HB
007 N7SJ Hamish Harding (Eminvest Investor)
008 N200DV Deju Vu strip clubs
009 ???????
010 N30GZ Morgan Freeman
So two deliveries appear to be to themselves, and Deju Vu, and Freeman are
the first two customer aircraft.
Action Aviation - SJ30 S007 Photo
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Man, no follow on deliveries after Freeman. So much for the Hollywood effect. In rereading older posts, I note Bizjetsurprise thinks next delivery slot is 2011. Where are Travolta and the other hi-rollers when the market needs them?
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A client of mine has/had some money down on an SJ30 three years ago...company has some serious problems...but the concept/aircraft is sound.....limited market for sure...not too many single pilot captains are going to fly over the pond by themselves...or sit in the 40s all day long...or be comfy with the speeds...it's obviously not a King Air...
That said, being an SP captain in Encores and such...Premier 1 was a good start....but the SJ30 blows everything away...can't wait to hop in one in Miami, fly the tracks, land in Paris in reasonable fashion that evening....
Williams engines are really taking over...there is an SII retrofit that makes the plane do like 2500 NM as well...400 kts...not a speed demon, but the days of single pilot over water international flights are now becoming reality.
That said, being an SP captain in Encores and such...Premier 1 was a good start....but the SJ30 blows everything away...can't wait to hop in one in Miami, fly the tracks, land in Paris in reasonable fashion that evening....
Williams engines are really taking over...there is an SII retrofit that makes the plane do like 2500 NM as well...400 kts...not a speed demon, but the days of single pilot over water international flights are now becoming reality.
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Plane maker Emivest's assets set to be bought - San Antonio Express-News
Metalcraft Technologies, Inc.
Emivest sale pending final court approval - with over 700 million dollars spent on development - the final offer for the assets is less than 5 million dollars.
The prospective buyer is in fact the company that built tail components for the SJ-30 and most like owed a lot of money - it appears the company may be purchased to sell off the assets - which would mean the end of a dream?
Don't know what happened to the Chinese bid - they are currently awaiting Government approvals for their purchase of Cirrus.
Metalcraft Technologies, Inc.
Emivest sale pending final court approval - with over 700 million dollars spent on development - the final offer for the assets is less than 5 million dollars.
The prospective buyer is in fact the company that built tail components for the SJ-30 and most like owed a lot of money - it appears the company may be purchased to sell off the assets - which would mean the end of a dream?
Don't know what happened to the Chinese bid - they are currently awaiting Government approvals for their purchase of Cirrus.
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It's quite cool seeing a C525 versus an SJ30 which goes roughly twice as far even though it has similar weights and the same engines. 
Cessna are getting somewhere with the CJ3/CJ4 but the SJ30 is lighter than them I think.
IMO it's a cracking aircraft - I've never been in one but I know people who fly them, and I don't understand why it hasn't sold very well. Maybe with an avionics revamp and some other little features will be the tipping point (a la Citation "Ten").
Cessna are getting somewhere with the CJ3/CJ4 but the SJ30 is lighter than them I think.IMO it's a cracking aircraft - I've never been in one but I know people who fly them, and I don't understand why it hasn't sold very well. Maybe with an avionics revamp and some other little features will be the tipping point (a la Citation "Ten").
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There's a owner in South Africa (Or Swaziland) that has upgraded to the SJ30 from his Mustang... absolutely loves it! Beats a Lear 45 from Cape Town to Luanda by 15 min apparantly!
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