SJ30
An often overlooked advantage of extra range is flexibility in fuel planning. In a CJ2, even though the average flight is 1.5 - 2 hours, you're almost always obliged to uplift some fuel at every stop, whatever the price. Probably most flights in an SJ30 would be about the same duration, but having the range to skip expensive fuel stops would yield an appreciable saving over the life of the aircraft. Plus, there would also be the added bonus of being able to do occasional longer routes - but it would probably not be the aircraft of choice to do longer routes regularly.
I'm interested in Silvio Pettirossi's reply. The low vspeeds presumably mean landing performance is broadly comparable to (say) a CJ2. Is the take-off performance worse?
I'm interested in Silvio Pettirossi's reply. The low vspeeds presumably mean landing performance is broadly comparable to (say) a CJ2. Is the take-off performance worse?
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If I was selling the Sj30, I would just ask the prospective buyer this..
'Do you want to go to Europe or Hawaii? ...sure!
'Do you want to do it cheaper then anyone else?' ...sure!
'Do you want to only have to pay one pilot?' ....sure!
A thought...when they put some Williams Engines on an Astra SPX...wow....
'Do you want to go to Europe or Hawaii? ...sure!
'Do you want to do it cheaper then anyone else?' ...sure!
'Do you want to only have to pay one pilot?' ....sure!
A thought...when they put some Williams Engines on an Astra SPX...wow....
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I still have a position if anybody is intrested, from way back when.
It is a sweet airplane, fast high and sexy looking, BUT and this is a big BUT.
We went donwn to San Antonio to visit the factory a few years ago (5 years to be precise), the reality hits you when you try to squeeze yourself (and I am a small guy) into the F16 sized cockpit, the pax will then squeeze themselves into the tube of a cabin. Now for a 2 hour hop we might all make it but a trans atlantic or anything over 3 hours its a little tight for me and my bladder. The potty has a great view to the back seats and try standing up in this thing to take a leak, but this is a little impossible since your the only guy at the controls at 49000 ft doing .83......
The performance figures are great on the aircraft but due to delays in production for obvious ressons the aircraft has fallen way behind the times. The avionics are now a little old for the times and there is the lack of a support system thoughout the travels of the aircraft in case of AOG.
It is one of these sad cases that should be left to the grave, but hey if there is some big buckeroos out there with nothing better to do with there billions, hey why not see where an aircraft design will lead you, hell its proabably an even draw between this and putting in a bank.
It is a sweet airplane, fast high and sexy looking, BUT and this is a big BUT.
We went donwn to San Antonio to visit the factory a few years ago (5 years to be precise), the reality hits you when you try to squeeze yourself (and I am a small guy) into the F16 sized cockpit, the pax will then squeeze themselves into the tube of a cabin. Now for a 2 hour hop we might all make it but a trans atlantic or anything over 3 hours its a little tight for me and my bladder. The potty has a great view to the back seats and try standing up in this thing to take a leak, but this is a little impossible since your the only guy at the controls at 49000 ft doing .83......
The performance figures are great on the aircraft but due to delays in production for obvious ressons the aircraft has fallen way behind the times. The avionics are now a little old for the times and there is the lack of a support system thoughout the travels of the aircraft in case of AOG.
It is one of these sad cases that should be left to the grave, but hey if there is some big buckeroos out there with nothing better to do with there billions, hey why not see where an aircraft design will lead you, hell its proabably an even draw between this and putting in a bank.
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Matt - At the end of the day we fly what the boss wants. If he wants to stand up and pee, have stripper pole in the back, so be it, it's his money.
Personally, I like range, speed, efficiency...it appeals to my sense of utility and minimalism. Kick out the useless copilot, slim down the fuselage, take out the gear you don't need..
I can't imagine sitting in an SJ30 for 5 hours is any worse then a Citation..but with the SJ30, at the end of the trip, I land in Honolulu.
Personally, I like range, speed, efficiency...it appeals to my sense of utility and minimalism. Kick out the useless copilot, slim down the fuselage, take out the gear you don't need..
I can't imagine sitting in an SJ30 for 5 hours is any worse then a Citation..but with the SJ30, at the end of the trip, I land in Honolulu.
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The SJ30 is marginal..;at best to Hawaii. Not saying the aircraft couldn't do it....but if you look at driftdown and oxygen etc....you are really just about going to be dry footprint and safe with 1 pilot/1 max...very light luggage ( packed lunch)....and choice of departure airports is limited to very few in Bay area/CA.
That said there are a lot making the crossing with less of a safety net than the SJ offers, and a wider wet footprint. You takes your chances.
It's a bit theoretical at present, but hopefully one day this project will be well financed, well managed (the latter being the Achilles heal to date) and updated and I am sure the aircraft will appeal to a useful minority of punters.....even now.
That said there are a lot making the crossing with less of a safety net than the SJ offers, and a wider wet footprint. You takes your chances.
It's a bit theoretical at present, but hopefully one day this project will be well financed, well managed (the latter being the Achilles heal to date) and updated and I am sure the aircraft will appeal to a useful minority of punters.....even now.
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Yes Ed S. certainly designed some fine aircraft. I fly one of his IIIC models and for single pilot private ops it's hard to beat. Say, did the nose-wheel steering system make onto the SJ30?
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