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Hello Absolute Zero,
AIUK : Nigeria: New Amnesty report exposes human rights abuses by Shell and other oil companies
http://www.iraqoccupationfocus.org.u..._factsheet.pdf
Hands off Iraqi oil
What is so attractive at Shell? Maybe it's the best kept business aviation secret?
PM accepted then.
Best regards, and safe flying!
FLEXJET
AIUK : Nigeria: New Amnesty report exposes human rights abuses by Shell and other oil companies
http://www.iraqoccupationfocus.org.u..._factsheet.pdf
Hands off Iraqi oil
What is so attractive at Shell? Maybe it's the best kept business aviation secret?
PM accepted then.
Best regards, and safe flying!
FLEXJET
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Flexjet.
Calling the pilots "cowboys" shows your complete and utter ignorance. We fly to Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and various other destinations that are less than 5 star, but that is because our principle requires us to go there. We do all the necessary planning and preparation, hardly a cowboy operation. I also flew extended contracts in Afghanistan and Colombia, that must really make me a cowboy.
Calling the pilots "cowboys" shows your complete and utter ignorance. We fly to Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and various other destinations that are less than 5 star, but that is because our principle requires us to go there. We do all the necessary planning and preparation, hardly a cowboy operation. I also flew extended contracts in Afghanistan and Colombia, that must really make me a cowboy.
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I imagine that it wasn't something that was done lightly - employment laws in NL would be tough to deal with.
Were the ones selected for departure NL based or from the UK, (or for that matter are there any of the Shell UK 'magnificent seven' left? - Not my quote by the way - UK handling staff called them that.....with a wry smile! Maybe a hangover from when Bader was in charge.)
Mind you they could have just been ruthless and called on the secret handshake society to deal with the miscreants instead.......
Were the ones selected for departure NL based or from the UK, (or for that matter are there any of the Shell UK 'magnificent seven' left? - Not my quote by the way - UK handling staff called them that.....with a wry smile! Maybe a hangover from when Bader was in charge.)
Mind you they could have just been ruthless and called on the secret handshake society to deal with the miscreants instead.......
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Flexjet,
you seem quite happy to earn your living burning Jet A-1, but you have some serious issues with those that provide the stuff for you! It's a fact of life that most oil comes from places that are not in most tourist guides, but those that make their living exploring and producing the stuff don't have the luxury of only choosing 'non-cowboy' countries to work in.
Maybe that would be becasue they are not a public transport operation! That's not to say that their standards are any less, and are probably more stringent. I know their rotary standards they require of contractors are more stringent than OPS-3.
you seem quite happy to earn your living burning Jet A-1, but you have some serious issues with those that provide the stuff for you! It's a fact of life that most oil comes from places that are not in most tourist guides, but those that make their living exploring and producing the stuff don't have the luxury of only choosing 'non-cowboy' countries to work in.
If this outfit is not operating to public transport rules then it begs the question, Why not?
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FLEXJET.. your classing of pilots operating in more difficult areas as 'cow-boys' is not only wide of the mark but downright insulting.
We have to assess for ourselves the level of caution and operating safety levels to ensure that will enable us to carry out the desired tasks while remaining on the safe side of the margins... that adds another dimension to our flight ops. We consider ourselves very professional and a logbook detailing 10 years or more of operating under sometimes extreme conditions should constitute evidence of a very healthy approach to aviation safety.
We have to assess for ourselves the level of caution and operating safety levels to ensure that will enable us to carry out the desired tasks while remaining on the safe side of the margins... that adds another dimension to our flight ops. We consider ourselves very professional and a logbook detailing 10 years or more of operating under sometimes extreme conditions should constitute evidence of a very healthy approach to aviation safety.
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Ethics?
Bravo, MungoP! You got this one right..
Many of us business jet pilots may be called 'whores' because they'd fly for whomever and wherever to make a living, and I am no exception. Many years ago my (European) employer sent me on the road to various destinations in western Africa with this charming lad who turned out to be a Serbian weapons dealer. He was always nice to us, the crew (good tips and such), but thinking of his job and what it meant to people sometimes gave me the creeps. But hell, it was a job and what was I supposed to do with dependents to support back home?
Don't we all like to work for 'Médécins sans frontières', the UN, the World Food Programme, the WWF or Greenpeace? With passengers such as Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela or Bono?
There is nothing wrong with idealism, but our employer's dirty business is an unfortunate fact of life. It isn't always the good people who can afford using a business jet...
Many of us business jet pilots may be called 'whores' because they'd fly for whomever and wherever to make a living, and I am no exception. Many years ago my (European) employer sent me on the road to various destinations in western Africa with this charming lad who turned out to be a Serbian weapons dealer. He was always nice to us, the crew (good tips and such), but thinking of his job and what it meant to people sometimes gave me the creeps. But hell, it was a job and what was I supposed to do with dependents to support back home?
Don't we all like to work for 'Médécins sans frontières', the UN, the World Food Programme, the WWF or Greenpeace? With passengers such as Kofi Annan, Nelson Mandela or Bono?
There is nothing wrong with idealism, but our employer's dirty business is an unfortunate fact of life. It isn't always the good people who can afford using a business jet...
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It seems to me, that amongst these threads there is a serious lack of knowledge of the facts.
I have in the past contracted for Shell on the helicopter side. By my experience and to my knowledge they have one of the best and safest operations worldwide.
Big companies don't palm people off lightly. Let's wait for the facts!!
HR.
I have in the past contracted for Shell on the helicopter side. By my experience and to my knowledge they have one of the best and safest operations worldwide.
Big companies don't palm people off lightly. Let's wait for the facts!!
HR.
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By my experience and to my knowledge they have one of the best and safest operations worldwide.
Airplanes clean as a pin, pilots highly trained, top-notch in every respect.
And...100% dispatch reliabilty, due to a quality maintenance staff.
Years later I headed up an overseas operation, and I modeled our ops accordingly.
Folks with little knowledge of business aviation generally don't have a clue.
