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And therein lies the defence to all of this. Tell me why it doesn't ? If Operator is based outside of Europe whether Non Commercial or Commercial then what is the basis for the law ? Certainly not safety then. Also, anyone who is directly affected should it be enforced has a very good case in the European Court of human rights for starters as they are deemed to be "directly affected" by the law. That could run into many years lost salary claimed by many people
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Ehh thanks for answering: you have no clue.. 
The definition of an operator is your answer. If your definition of an operator is a mailbox in the BVI then you are right: the rules are pathetic.
Easa disagrees with you and feels that the main beneficiary and base of the aircraft defines what rules should apply and guess what: I agree. Now the way the rules are implemented and the rules itself needs extra work and time but the idea that if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and sounds like a duck means that it is a duck is hard to disagree with...
Also who will loose salary? With proper FTL's more pilots will be needed not less so again no clue what you are smoking...
The definition of an operator is your answer. If your definition of an operator is a mailbox in the BVI then you are right: the rules are pathetic.
Easa disagrees with you and feels that the main beneficiary and base of the aircraft defines what rules should apply and guess what: I agree. Now the way the rules are implemented and the rules itself needs extra work and time but the idea that if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and sounds like a duck means that it is a duck is hard to disagree with...
Also who will loose salary? With proper FTL's more pilots will be needed not less so again no clue what you are smoking...
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Sorry, but I feel that you haven't read the regs. You are absolutely incorrect if you think FTL's are going to be changed. The new regs have nothing to do with FTL's for private ops. I haven't been smoking anything, and I would politely suggest that you be careful with such wording on a public forum. Read my post again and do some research. Your posting is very wrong.
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Yep I have no idea what I am talking about... Our private aircraft has been given the verbal ok last month that we will get the letter of confirmation when applicable although the NAA that we are talking to has opted out for now but has looked through all we did and is happy. The only issue we had to address were two airports that we had to write a special procedure for and an OM. We already had an FTL so that box is ticked and we have "real" postholders borrowed from the AOC of the management company.
If you have the basic AOC like manuals and the people at the NAA your aircraft is based at know who to call as person responsible there is no major issue. I can imagine the fear a lot of one man bands have and rightly so as they will have to change the way their work drastically. I used to self manage and thought I knew all until we moved to a proper company with a real SMS system, training, CAMO, etc. The extra cost is a token for somebody who can buy a $50M aircraft for private use and hopefully this will kill the cowboys out there
If you have the basic AOC like manuals and the people at the NAA your aircraft is based at know who to call as person responsible there is no major issue. I can imagine the fear a lot of one man bands have and rightly so as they will have to change the way their work drastically. I used to self manage and thought I knew all until we moved to a proper company with a real SMS system, training, CAMO, etc. The extra cost is a token for somebody who can buy a $50M aircraft for private use and hopefully this will kill the cowboys out there
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Your SMS and Ops Manual mean nothing to most aircraft management companies, as do your FTL's. Some of the worst management companies operate in Europe, and flagrantly and regularly threaten loss of job to the pilots who do not break FTL's and other rules. FTL's do not figure in the equation of these new rules
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So what are you saying than? No rules because people are breaking them? Not trying to improve safety because people are being pressured??? That is exactly the rational behind NCC in the first place.
Good luck beaver in your ongoing "everything is bad attitude" because I am happy to work for an owner who cares (and pays!) and with a management company that is doing a good job. Too bad your glass is half empty and I wish you well in finding a proper company but wondering how long you will survive with your very positive attitude to rules, changes and the rest of the industry
Good luck beaver in your ongoing "everything is bad attitude" because I am happy to work for an owner who cares (and pays!) and with a management company that is doing a good job. Too bad your glass is half empty and I wish you well in finding a proper company but wondering how long you will survive with your very positive attitude to rules, changes and the rest of the industry
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So what are you saying than? No rules because people are breaking them? Not trying to improve safety because people are being pressured??? That is exactly the rational behind NCC in the first place.
Good luck beaver in your ongoing "everything is bad attitude" because I am happy to work for an owner who cares (and pays!) and with a management company that is doing a good job. Too bad your glass is half empty and I wish you well in finding a proper company but wondering how long you will survive with your very positive attitude to rules, changes and the rest of the industry
Good luck beaver in your ongoing "everything is bad attitude" because I am happy to work for an owner who cares (and pays!) and with a management company that is doing a good job. Too bad your glass is half empty and I wish you well in finding a proper company but wondering how long you will survive with your very positive attitude to rules, changes and the rest of the industry
I'm glad you are happy with your lot with your nice manuals, but that doesn't mean that everyone else needs the same level of beaurocracy when things work perfectly safely and well as they are.
You do become very personal and fly off the handle quite easily don't you ?
And that's exactly why NCC won't work. No oversight of most of the management companies who break FTL's etc. It's just how the industry currently is, AOC ops breaking rules, threatening crews with their jobs to break FTL's etc all of the time. These AOC companies have been doing it for years and were supposed to be the ones who were closely regulated. Are they ? No, so why try to start applying AOC style Ops manuals, SMS etc into private ops ? I am not disputing your point with FTL's I think it's a good idea, but simply put it won't happen in most private ops because it's unlikely to be a mandatory change.
I'm glad you are happy with your lot with your nice manuals, but that doesn't mean that everyone else needs the same level of beaurocracy when things work perfectly safely and well as they are.
I'm glad you are happy with your lot with your nice manuals, but that doesn't mean that everyone else needs the same level of beaurocracy when things work perfectly safely and well as they are.
There's an old adage, " The tighter you grasp, the more I will slip through your fingers..."
A concept that is totally incomprehensible to many core continental Europeans.....
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Global Global;
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Sorry, but EASA may feel that, but the legislation does not even mention the word "base" or phrases "aircraft base," "beneficiary" or even "beneficial owner." Also if you care to read through it, the word "operator" is actually defined - and very precisely in my opinion.
All in all any operator of a non EU reg aircraft having a principle place of business (as defined in the legislative text) outside of EASAland can stick two fingers up to Part NCC. Of course if you like jumping through unnecessary hoops, and wasting costs filling in forms to impress those who have no right to supervise you, then you can fill yer boots.
Easa disagrees with you and feels that the main beneficiary and base of the aircraft defines what rules should apply and guess what: I agree.
Sorry, but EASA may feel that, but the legislation does not even mention the word "base" or phrases "aircraft base," "beneficiary" or even "beneficial owner." Also if you care to read through it, the word "operator" is actually defined - and very precisely in my opinion.
All in all any operator of a non EU reg aircraft having a principle place of business (as defined in the legislative text) outside of EASAland can stick two fingers up to Part NCC. Of course if you like jumping through unnecessary hoops, and wasting costs filling in forms to impress those who have no right to supervise you, then you can fill yer boots.
