Avanti down on ice cap
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Airdriver123 et al,
You sure are quick to jugde a pilot for a flight that you only have hearsay information from!
You claim that he is a horrible pilot, yet he was ablt to land his ac on the icecap in +BLSN (whiteout conditions) and yet survive it.
You claim you would have flown the approach down to 0' regardless of met conditions, and therefore I really doubt you have ever been to bgbw. You cant even trust the published landing charts, because icebergs may float in and block finals. Furthermore the taf for that day was decent, yet the airport fogged in.
I'm sure the caa report tells us if he made the right decisions.
You sure are quick to jugde a pilot for a flight that you only have hearsay information from!
You claim that he is a horrible pilot, yet he was ablt to land his ac on the icecap in +BLSN (whiteout conditions) and yet survive it.
You claim you would have flown the approach down to 0' regardless of met conditions, and therefore I really doubt you have ever been to bgbw. You cant even trust the published landing charts, because icebergs may float in and block finals. Furthermore the taf for that day was decent, yet the airport fogged in.
I'm sure the caa report tells us if he made the right decisions.
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Having been to BGBW mant times it is a brave pilot who plans to go there without an alternate within range. The fact that he ran out of fuel does rather suggest that he did not plan an alternate. If the winds were bad then best wait until they get better,
I took of from BGBW in a Thrush Commander in CAVOK not a cloud in the sky. I could not climb up the glacier so I went down the fiord. 20 miles down the fiord I met thick fog coming up at about 15 knots. Luckily I could do a 180. 10 minutes after I landed back at BGBW it was less than 100 metres. Better to go on the ice than try a zero/zero into there.
Anyway what about Gothab and Paamiut just up the coast? Unlikely they would have been both out.
Having been to BGBW mant times it is a brave pilot who plans to go there without an alternate within range. The fact that he ran out of fuel does rather suggest that he did not plan an alternate. If the winds were bad then best wait until they get better,
I took of from BGBW in a Thrush Commander in CAVOK not a cloud in the sky. I could not climb up the glacier so I went down the fiord. 20 miles down the fiord I met thick fog coming up at about 15 knots. Luckily I could do a 180. 10 minutes after I landed back at BGBW it was less than 100 metres. Better to go on the ice than try a zero/zero into there.
Anyway what about Gothab and Paamiut just up the coast? Unlikely they would have been both out.
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Kangerlussuaq as BGSF is called lies at the bottom of a fiord, it can be a difficult airport to make an approach into, the surrounding terrain is high, the 10.000´+ runway seems tiny in the terrain, and it slopes upwards coming from the fiord making it seem shorter, and that very fact has caused a crash years ago.
Severe turbulence is not uncommon. Often the daily flight from Denmark has returned unable to land because of weather, the temperatures in winter can be extreme because of it´s inland climate, low 40´s in celsius are not uncommon in the winter. Daylight in winter is really short for weeks because the sun dips below the horizon. The nearest airports are BGMQ & BGSS which lie approx.170 & 150 KM to the west but both of them only have 799 Meter runways and are often dogged by bad weather. These are usually served by air greenland dash 7´s.
The many crashes that have occured in and around the airport is a testament to it´s operating nature.
Regards
Kangerlussuaq as BGSF is called lies at the bottom of a fiord, it can be a difficult airport to make an approach into, the surrounding terrain is high, the 10.000´+ runway seems tiny in the terrain, and it slopes upwards coming from the fiord making it seem shorter, and that very fact has caused a crash years ago.
Severe turbulence is not uncommon. Often the daily flight from Denmark has returned unable to land because of weather, the temperatures in winter can be extreme because of it´s inland climate, low 40´s in celsius are not uncommon in the winter. Daylight in winter is really short for weeks because the sun dips below the horizon. The nearest airports are BGMQ & BGSS which lie approx.170 & 150 KM to the west but both of them only have 799 Meter runways and are often dogged by bad weather. These are usually served by air greenland dash 7´s.
The many crashes that have occured in and around the airport is a testament to it´s operating nature.
Regards
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@Ferrydude
You are correct
Head not properly attached at the time of reading/writing
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And regarding BGBW, the terrain is even higher than BGSF, which many have found out in an unfortunate way.
Regards
You are correct
Head not properly attached at the time of reading/writing
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And regarding BGBW, the terrain is even higher than BGSF, which many have found out in an unfortunate way.
Regards
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Golden Falcon Aviation is fully committed in offering customized aircraft charter and unlimited VIP transport of business and leisure travelers. With highly qualified staff, FAA certified pilots, unparalleled service, ultimate in luxury and convenience all our clients will arrive in style.
I think they operate N-reg charters in the middle east... not the only Kuwaiti based operator to do this I believe.
But I don't think this particular flight was a commercial flight (possibly where the confusion lies).
But I don't think this particular flight was a commercial flight (possibly where the confusion lies).
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Per the above quote he sure arrived in style.
Per the above quote he sure arrived in style.
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News Flash!!
"American FO Laid OFF Because the "Captain" run out of Fuel"
Based On a Text Message:
"&*^%$ ran Out of Fuel so i lost my Job"
is this just?or is it plainly pathetic... losing a job for someone else's fault....hmmm that doesn't sound right.. no wonder they couldn't even say the proper pronunciation of the aircraft..."Biaggio" P and B Deficiency...
Based On a Text Message:
"&*^%$ ran Out of Fuel so i lost my Job"
is this just?or is it plainly pathetic... losing a job for someone else's fault....hmmm that doesn't sound right.. no wonder they couldn't even say the proper pronunciation of the aircraft..."Biaggio" P and B Deficiency...
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"&*^%$ ran Out of Fuel so i lost my Job"
is this just?or is it plainly pathetic... losing a job for someone else's fault.
is this just?or is it plainly pathetic... losing a job for someone else's fault.
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Ha ha, now does this sound like someone that would operate illegally? After all, it is on the internet.
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