Netjets Europe Job Losses
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"return of the Dark Master"
Wow, I never thought i'd here the day that anyone (who knew anything about NJ) would ever be calling for the return of Dark Master .....
from Stiffler to the Dark Master.............it's almost the next Star Wars!!
Will MB appear with his light sabre all the way from another galaxy (well India anyway!!!) to fight the Dark side and win the day.......
Roll on the next chapter..
DJ
from Stiffler to the Dark Master.............it's almost the next Star Wars!!
Will MB appear with his light sabre all the way from another galaxy (well India anyway!!!) to fight the Dark side and win the day.......
Roll on the next chapter..
DJ
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Netjets is the best and all who understand aviation appreciate this.
If it's as good as is being made out then why is the retention so low? I seem to remember a figure not long ago that basically ammouted to approximately 3 new block hour clients over the year. I know a *lot* more than that have left and joined other programs.
Come on guys, don't jump for this kind of trash ("Netjets is the best"
. I do work there and I find Netjets very good! But we all know that there's a) no perfect company and b) you should not brag with your employer. I am happy where I am, although there are many things that need improvement. VistaJet is having lots of organizational trouble as well and I am sure they are not alone. We all have problems.
. I do work there and I find Netjets very good! But we all know that there's a) no perfect company and b) you should not brag with your employer. I am happy where I am, although there are many things that need improvement. VistaJet is having lots of organizational trouble as well and I am sure they are not alone. We all have problems.
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Personally I didnt have the honour to know DM, but what I understand from my previous poster is, that there are a lot of savings possibel within the higher senior employees and managers. I agree with this, but dont forget we have a new top management now, they are not responsibel for the previous "attachments". So far so good, we didnt fire anybody, BUT: Previous management decided to create a "two class" environment, on the one side the around 400 jobsharers who have to secure their job and went "voluntary" and the around 500 "more senior" , who are the lucky one. Its not a fair solution in my opinion, everybody should be part of such a program, a so called "social plan" was never discussed. Guess what is next problem: 400 Jobsharers have to be retrained when coming back on line and have to be implemented as full salary employees in 2013/14, good luck to all of them !
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Agreed....although i think the difference between NJ and anyone else is that the previous management did "give it large" about how great they were and how **** they thought everyone else was!!!! against a backdrop of the fact that NJ have never made a compound profit (if you do some rudimentary maths then they are about minus 200-300m USD in Europe alone over 13 yrs) there are plenty of long standing, not very sexy (sorry Phil!!) companies who turn a profit year after year, which NJ rubbished!!!
Things have of course changed with WK, MB, GW, Stiffler-all out, so maybe the next lot will be a bit humbler and accept the fact they may not be untouchable anymore!!!!!
rightly or wrongly the feeling of "oh, how the mighty have fallen" is prevalent, and i think they (small group of senior execs-not the whole team) brought it on themsleves to a certain extent.
Before you ask, i am ex NJ, and really enjoyed the company and still have some very good friends there....
DJ
Things have of course changed with WK, MB, GW, Stiffler-all out, so maybe the next lot will be a bit humbler and accept the fact they may not be untouchable anymore!!!!!
rightly or wrongly the feeling of "oh, how the mighty have fallen" is prevalent, and i think they (small group of senior execs-not the whole team) brought it on themsleves to a certain extent.
Before you ask, i am ex NJ, and really enjoyed the company and still have some very good friends there....
DJ
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NJE job losses.
Net Jets is the best? this statement is being used I am afraid its probably not the best text to use.
NJ offers a safe independent method of corporate travel and suits many. Its not VVIP and it will never offer the ultimate method of travel its mid to high and lets not forget that.
The mangers that remain in place whom have been there more than 5 years at at the senior levels probably need pushing in the right direction.
Crews can offer ways to save money etc. For all of us EX NJ on furlough or other lets hope things improve until then need to keep heads down.
Maybe some of these mangers should go on the program 12 months off on program recharge their ideas and BB.
NJ offers a safe independent method of corporate travel and suits many. Its not VVIP and it will never offer the ultimate method of travel its mid to high and lets not forget that.
The mangers that remain in place whom have been there more than 5 years at at the senior levels probably need pushing in the right direction.
Crews can offer ways to save money etc. For all of us EX NJ on furlough or other lets hope things improve until then need to keep heads down.
Maybe some of these mangers should go on the program 12 months off on program recharge their ideas and BB.
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I would have to agree with the jockey.
NJ is a good place to work, unless on 60%, which could be countered with, 'at least there were no forced redundancies'.
NJ is by no means perfect, but it is by no means a terrible employer either, like with all things in life, it has its good points and its bad points.
Could those who think so low of NJ provide the names of other employers out there who offer the same package or better, just so we can compare, it is far too easy to just moan without providing facts of other better employers.
Big mistakes were made, I don't think anyone would deny that, but we do have new management, so I am open minded about the future.
NJ is a good place to work, unless on 60%, which could be countered with, 'at least there were no forced redundancies'.
NJ is by no means perfect, but it is by no means a terrible employer either, like with all things in life, it has its good points and its bad points.
Could those who think so low of NJ provide the names of other employers out there who offer the same package or better, just so we can compare, it is far too easy to just moan without providing facts of other better employers.
Big mistakes were made, I don't think anyone would deny that, but we do have new management, so I am open minded about the future.
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The 60% program is working for many and me so its good I look forward to the future it holds.
May be the new management will shake the monkeys from the trees so im hopeful too.
DM regime was awful at times but got things done maybe the new new management will actually place the correct people in the right positions.
As I drive by the Lisboa office on the A5 I often wonder where all the money has gone etc? is it the shiny new lease vehicles for all the mangers or the private educations for all the kids?
Its about time we put some portuguese mangers in place and slash costs. Do we need all these EXPATS in the office?
I am on the 60% program and very happy to return etc, I was on the program when 150 flights per day was the norm in the peak months and now they are struggling to attain 50-80 movements.
its all too easy to criticize etc but in this economy its good what they have done however much we dont like it.
May be the new management will shake the monkeys from the trees so im hopeful too.
DM regime was awful at times but got things done maybe the new new management will actually place the correct people in the right positions.
As I drive by the Lisboa office on the A5 I often wonder where all the money has gone etc? is it the shiny new lease vehicles for all the mangers or the private educations for all the kids?
Its about time we put some portuguese mangers in place and slash costs. Do we need all these EXPATS in the office?
I am on the 60% program and very happy to return etc, I was on the program when 150 flights per day was the norm in the peak months and now they are struggling to attain 50-80 movements.
its all too easy to criticize etc but in this economy its good what they have done however much we dont like it.
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What managers..?
"...Its about time we put some portuguese mangers in place and slash costs..."
Oh no! That is a contradiction!!! Portuguese and save money?? That will work... :-))
Oh no! That is a contradiction!!!
Portuguese and save money?? That will work... :-))
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OK lets put in to prospective without a ongoing discussion.
Remove the perks of EXPAT contracts and have local contracts this would save on average
22,000 Fleet car lease including fuel.
Children private education up to 3 children at up to 15000 each 45,000.00
Tax returns and other perks 2000.00
I wonder if warren is aware of such details at BH.
EXPAT contracts are designed for a period of 2-3 years but surely these people whom have moved to Lisboa have settled in nicely adopted to the lifestyle etc.
so with average costs of 60K per year for each manager in benefits and a nice new shiny type rating when the exit door is opened as now they had enough of them in the office NJE has indeed wasted millions in staff changes in the last few years.
The Average life span of a EXPAT fleet manger
Flight ops-2.5
Flight director-2.0
MX-2.0
Its a tough ordeal in the office, strapped to the BB and basically running a kindergarden at times.
Maybe CR should go and be father christmas.
There still is deep problems in the monkey tree at HQ but they are trying
Remove the perks of EXPAT contracts and have local contracts this would save on average
22,000 Fleet car lease including fuel.
Children private education up to 3 children at up to 15000 each 45,000.00
Tax returns and other perks 2000.00
I wonder if warren is aware of such details at BH.
EXPAT contracts are designed for a period of 2-3 years but surely these people whom have moved to Lisboa have settled in nicely adopted to the lifestyle etc.
so with average costs of 60K per year for each manager in benefits and a nice new shiny type rating when the exit door is opened as now they had enough of them in the office NJE has indeed wasted millions in staff changes in the last few years.
The Average life span of a EXPAT fleet manger
Flight ops-2.5
Flight director-2.0
MX-2.0
Its a tough ordeal in the office, strapped to the BB and basically running a kindergarden at times.
Maybe CR should go and be father christmas.
There still is deep problems in the monkey tree at HQ but they are trying
