how long takes to have an aircraft on an AOC?

[lear60fellow]

I´m wondering if someone knows in its own country how long it takes normally to have an aircraft flying commercial under an AOC from the first moment an owner wants to move it and the cost associated with it.

I know that some countries take 2 months, other 3 but I would like to know in germany, France, Luxembourg, UK....

[Sepp]

What type, which country, who's writing the manual? ~ This is important, otherwise you might as well ask "how long is a piece of string?"

[lear60fellow]

I´m interested on knowing in different countries under JAA for a normal bizjet.

[Phil Brockwell]

Given the non-specific nature of your question, 1 week to 18 months. If you could be more specific you would get a more specific answer.

[Miles Magister]

L6F

The other posts are quite right. Putting an aircraft on an AOC can be easy or complicated.

The information required to give a more specific answer is;
Are you looking to have your own independent AOC?
Are you looking to piggy back an AOC and run it yourself?
Are you looking to put it on an existing AOC and let them run it?
If you are giving it to an existing AOC do they already operate that type?
If using an existing AOC then are their area and approvals sufficient?

These are just a few of the initial things you will need to consider. I beleive the best advice I could give you is commission a recognised professional, not necessarilly just some mate who has flown a business jet, to give you a day or 2 or propper advice. It will cost a little bit, not too much, but it will be well worth it and save you money on the next step.

There are some good guys around. If you wish to PM me I can suggest some names of people who are not necessarilly accosiated with me.

I hope that helps you decide how to move forward.

Regards

MM

[singpilot]

In the USA, for a 121 or 125, I used to tell people a year and a mil.

Then actually did a FAR125 in 90 days.

Depends on so many variables.

[Denti]

I have seen aircraft changing from one AOC to another in less than an hour in germany. On a late friday afternoon. You just have to know the right persons at the LBA and pay them the right amount of "attention". Usually it takes a couple working days though if the AOC in question operates the type allready.

[Sideliner]

Ask U.A.I. on the Biz Jets thread. MD will fill you in!

[bestglide140]

In Ger it mostly depends on weight

Hi there,

from my experience in Germany, it`s all about the weight. If the A/C is less than 10t it`s mostly done in a Friday afternoon party, like a previous poster said already. The paperwork could be done afterwards, no prob. The bigger the A/C gets the more hassle you`ll have with completing the paperwork beforehand, especially when the A/C needs to be operated with a CA.
And sometimes it doesn`t count whether the A/C has actually a confiq which asks for ops with CA more the fact that it must be operated with, when it usually comes along for, e.g. DO328-300 vs. DO328-300 exec. (< 1 9 Paxseats in total) . And obviously true: The better "you" know "someone" (unfortunately), the easier it gets!

[lear60fellow]

Thanks, so germany is fast, how about Austria? Aircraft was JAA registered, now it´s not and owner wants it back on JAA register again fast and easy with not so much costs.

[REMorris]

and cost

Can anyone help me as to what it would cost to put and keep and aircraft on an AOC for one year?

thanks

[Phil Brockwell]

ReMorris

I think we need a bit more to go on.

1. What aircraft
2. Are you saying you want to lease an aircraft to an AOC holder, or that you want to write and apply for an AOC.

PB

[chimbu warrior]

In the land down under it is dependent on whether the aircraft is to be added to a new or existing AOC.

Existing AOC....maybe a few weeks. New AOC.....could take 6 months.

[NewTimer]

How long is a piece of string?

If an existing UK AOC holder has the relevant aircraft type on its AOC already, suitable crew to fly it, and a good relationship with its regulatory authority, it can be done pretty well instantaneously, and at minimal cost.

If an existing UK AOC holder doesn't have the aircraft type on its AOC then the type-specific parts of the Operations Manual, Continuing Airworthiness Maintenance Exposition will need to be written, along with Subpart K&L Compliance statements, Performance Compliance statements, an Approved Maintenance Programme and contracts with a Part 145 organisation etc. etc. A sizeable variation fee will be payable to the authority, who will - in theory - want 90 days from submission to approve it all, including a check flight. Realistically expect to take 4 to 6 months minimum.

If you want to set up a UK AOC from scratch, budget loads of dosh and time.

NT

[REMorris]

Thanks Phil,

I am actually looking for information on two different types of aircraft to go on an AOC, a challenger 300 and G IV.

Am i right in thinking the charges will be higher for a 40+ tonne aircraft.

Is there an upfront charge and an annual/monthly one or just a one off payment.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks

[lear60fellow]

AOC

I´m in the same problem as you.

[LGW Vulture]

Yet again it mesmerises me that people ask on a public forum about such things! If you have got that sort of equipment then get a professional on board to help you. These are expensive pieces of kit with considerable costs attached if you do the wrong thing. Seeking your answers on an internet message board is not the way to go!

And I wonder why oh why I have come across so many people that hate the industry simply because they have been misinformed by unscrupulous individuals!!

[lear60fellow]

The problem is that expertise companies also want to steal your money as AOC holders do and owners get tired of that and at the end they sell the aircrafts.That´s why we ask here and share experiences to avoid that.

[larson311]

Simple question, does guys like :

Smartair (http://www.smartair.aero),
Jetfly (http://www.jetfly.net),
Phenom Club (www.phenom-club.ch) have an AOC or not?