EU Environment trading scam
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we have one plane on a private op
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Only charter ops (i.e got a valid AOC) that fall under 243 flights in a consecutive four month period OR under 10,000 tons of Co2 will be excempt.
The rest hold on tight this is going to be a bumpy ride.
The application is set out for the airline boys, who have there departments created for this single issue.
As to the PRAGODA model, its a rude word on the application form. If you fall under the small emitter CAT, then just say " A Eurocontrol and ETS approved monitoring system", as this has been been put into the ammendents in the Directive.
Eurocontrol have said they will have something in September which will be used for the monitoring. Maybe!
Guys this is just a huge scam to push BuisAV out. When the trading period starts in 2012, the Co2 (which is a comodity) will trade due to supply and demand (basically) so what costs Euro12.00 per Co2 ton today can cost anything in 2012.
There is no accurate way to forsee what operational expenses will be in the future.
All told, now be prepared for huge fines if not compliant.
Only good thing is they are so confused about how to implement it that some member states have people with no idea on aviation let alone Co2. This could backlog hugely.
At the moment, apply to your member state and wait for a response. They cant fine you if you have tried. They should be able to give you the guidance you need unless your in the darker parts of the EU.
The rest hold on tight this is going to be a bumpy ride.
The application is set out for the airline boys, who have there departments created for this single issue.
As to the PRAGODA model, its a rude word on the application form. If you fall under the small emitter CAT, then just say " A Eurocontrol and ETS approved monitoring system", as this has been been put into the ammendents in the Directive.
Eurocontrol have said they will have something in September which will be used for the monitoring. Maybe!
Guys this is just a huge scam to push BuisAV out. When the trading period starts in 2012, the Co2 (which is a comodity) will trade due to supply and demand (basically) so what costs Euro12.00 per Co2 ton today can cost anything in 2012.
There is no accurate way to forsee what operational expenses will be in the future.
All told, now be prepared for huge fines if not compliant.
Only good thing is they are so confused about how to implement it that some member states have people with no idea on aviation let alone Co2. This could backlog hugely.
At the moment, apply to your member state and wait for a response. They cant fine you if you have tried. They should be able to give you the guidance you need unless your in the darker parts of the EU.
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Only charter ops (i.e got a valid AOC) that fall under 243 flights in a consecutive four month period OR under 10,000 tons of Co2 will be excempt.
Eurocontrol have said they will have something in September which will be used for the monitoring.
On the upside, I heard this week from one of the fuel card companies that they have found their way onto the official list of operators.........never having owned, or operated, any aircraft is, apparently, no bar to being persecuted!
They have also targeted operators of B200s that are actually under the weight limit.......the Eurocontrol database was designed for a different purpose where weights are rounded up. So far nobody at the DTI has been able to grasp this argument.
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In total agreement, I never said they would actually have a system working let alone approved and in place.
BUT they have agreed to implement it, unless some wise A$$ in Brussels decides we all need to play airline, and changes the Directive.
The whole thing is open to iterpretation and thats excactly what is happening. My Authority, which is not the brightest wanted me to complete a reporting form as well
What the!!!!! we have not even started the monitoring period let alone my plan has not been approved yet,,,,, long discussions on the phone about that one.
This whole thing is going south fast and when the idiots in the EU catch a wake up, there desks are going to piled high with the very rainforests they are trying to protect.
In total agreement, I never said they would actually have a system working let alone approved and in place.
BUT they have agreed to implement it, unless some wise A$$ in Brussels decides we all need to play airline, and changes the Directive.
The whole thing is open to iterpretation and thats excactly what is happening. My Authority, which is not the brightest wanted me to complete a reporting form as well
What the!!!!! we have not even started the monitoring period let alone my plan has not been approved yet,,,,, long discussions on the phone about that one.
This whole thing is going south fast and when the idiots in the EU catch a wake up, there desks are going to piled high with the very rainforests they are trying to protect.
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Capt Sparrow, yes I hope to be counted as a small emitter but in the UK I have to produce details of a plan in the common data section before I can apply for the simplified procedure.(if any uk guys think this is not correct please let me know as it will save me a lot of time)
Also its nothing to do with our CAA, its our environment agency who are running this.
I asked a question about using the Eurocontrol system but it takes 10 working days to get an answer,no answer yet after 8 working days, guys if you have not started this process start now because it is horrific.
Good luck to you all.
Also its nothing to do with our CAA, its our environment agency who are running this.
I asked a question about using the Eurocontrol system but it takes 10 working days to get an answer,no answer yet after 8 working days, guys if you have not started this process start now because it is horrific.
Good luck to you all.
I have a written assurance (hah!) from the EA that we would fall outwith the scheme due the 243 sector rule ... however we were included in the final list anyway, and the hitherto useful and friendly helpline staff are (oh, why am I not surprised?) suddenly not contactable.
Marvellous.
Marvellous.
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Hi SEPP, If your aircraft MTOM is less than 5.7 tonnes then you should not be on the list.
If you are a non commercial op, do less than 243flights per 3 months in the last year and produce less than 10,000 tonnes a year of co2 then you can use the simplified procedure.
The problem is that the simplified procedure, ie using eurocontrol data on your flights is not operational, it may be operational at sometime in September,it may not.
You still need to fill in the forms if your over 5.7t but miss out sections 5,6,7 and 8.
The EA are not able to ammend the list so if your on it go to the EA website and follow the link to the EU to try and get off the list.
If you are a non commercial op, do less than 243flights per 3 months in the last year and produce less than 10,000 tonnes a year of co2 then you can use the simplified procedure.
The problem is that the simplified procedure, ie using eurocontrol data on your flights is not operational, it may be operational at sometime in September,it may not.
You still need to fill in the forms if your over 5.7t but miss out sections 5,6,7 and 8.
The EA are not able to ammend the list so if your on it go to the EA website and follow the link to the EU to try and get off the list.
KK - thanks for the reply 
We're commercial, over 5.7, less than 243 sectors in the qualifying period(s) and well below the 10Ktonnes limit. Attempts to get the error corrected are alredy underway, but moving at a typical govt. dept. crawl...
We're commercial, over 5.7, less than 243 sectors in the qualifying period(s) and well below the 10Ktonnes limit. Attempts to get the error corrected are alredy underway, but moving at a typical govt. dept. crawl...
