Is international course required?
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Is international course required?
All (or most) FAA pilots need international course if they want to fly outside of US because abroad its kinda different flying (more JAA style).
Question: Do JAA pilots need international course?
I believe they don’t.
But if I fly FAA reg. airplane using my FAA license, will my JAA license give me a waiver for this course?
Question: Do JAA pilots need international course?
I believe they don’t.
But if I fly FAA reg. airplane using my FAA license, will my JAA license give me a waiver for this course?
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FAA does not require this course, but most insurances do.
The course called International procedures and includes RVSM.
One can get RVSM recurrent for 50 US online, but most of the time its not enough.
The course called International procedures and includes RVSM.
One can get RVSM recurrent for 50 US online, but most of the time its not enough.
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as a matter of fact JAA is already an international organization my friend (more than 27 countries) pretty much already quite organized...so flying internationaly is an everyday reality here !
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International Training for US pilots
US pilots do not need "International Training" unless you want to cropdust in Mexico. There is a requirement for a few operations, but it is related to the Nafta deal from back in the day. (Clinton).
If you do fly internationally you ICAO recommends that you have an International Operations Manual. (ICAO is part of the UN). The UN has absolutely no enforcement power. (Unless you are from certain European countries that think ICAO is regulating).
Is it a good idea to take one of these courses? Absolutely, I would highly recommend it. It is different from flying in the US, but everything changes from country to country so no course will cover all contingencies. Learn and adhere to standard radio terminology and you are well on your way.
If you do fly internationally you ICAO recommends that you have an International Operations Manual. (ICAO is part of the UN). The UN has absolutely no enforcement power. (Unless you are from certain European countries that think ICAO is regulating).
Is it a good idea to take one of these courses? Absolutely, I would highly recommend it. It is different from flying in the US, but everything changes from country to country so no course will cover all contingencies. Learn and adhere to standard radio terminology and you are well on your way.
I Procs
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In the two International Procedures courses that I have done at FSI, I have to say the overall experience was poor. Money not well spent.
I am Europe based, so I can safely say that what the (friendly) instructors teach about European procedures is factually incorrect. They were confusing QNH with QFE and so on.
We were spoon fed tasks such as the boss wants to go from KTEB to EGGW then HECA, what time will we be landing at and so on. (i.e. UTC conversions from local time) - Simple, menial tasks that a PPL could do. It really felt like they were simply 'padding out' the day because there was not enough useful information in the course.
The China RVSM briefing was interesting, as was the Pacific briefing. The course does renew the crews RVSM cert. That's why our company sends us.
In the two International Procedures courses that I have done at FSI, I have to say the overall experience was poor. Money not well spent.
I am Europe based, so I can safely say that what the (friendly) instructors teach about European procedures is factually incorrect. They were confusing QNH with QFE and so on.
We were spoon fed tasks such as the boss wants to go from KTEB to EGGW then HECA, what time will we be landing at and so on. (i.e. UTC conversions from local time) - Simple, menial tasks that a PPL could do. It really felt like they were simply 'padding out' the day because there was not enough useful information in the course.
The China RVSM briefing was interesting, as was the Pacific briefing. The course does renew the crews RVSM cert. That's why our company sends us.
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Thanks guys.
I've been flying for 2 different operators on a N reg. airplanes and both had an insurance requirement for pilots to have current International course.
I read the International Proc. manual and found nothing or nearly nothing I didnt know already.(bcz of my JAA ATPL theory, which was a bad pain in the ass)
This could be different for pilots who fly in the US only and want to go to Europe or South America.
I've been flying for 2 different operators on a N reg. airplanes and both had an insurance requirement for pilots to have current International course.
I read the International Proc. manual and found nothing or nearly nothing I didnt know already.(bcz of my JAA ATPL theory, which was a bad pain in the ass)
This could be different for pilots who fly in the US only and want to go to Europe or South America.
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I used to each international operations in the airline environment.
So... I would say it is a must... - My opinion... (I am ex PanAm)...
Of course you can get by without, legally.
xxx
There are, to my opinion "4 international type operations"...
(A) The Int'l ICAO straight procedures... i.e. most world areas.
(B) The North American operations procedures (USA-Canada).
(C) The Metric Airspace areas (and use of QFE altimeter settings).
(D) Oceanic procedures. Long range navigation. HF radio communications.
Consider to apply "some ETOPS" procedures even if not required.
And think metric, just about anywhere. Metres, Celsius, hectoPascals...
xxx
And of course do it all by yourself, if smarter than pilots who did it for 20-30 years.
Overseas, I smile when hearing US crews talking to the local ATC...
"This is Citation 123ALFA, at 17 thousand feet, say your altimeter..."
I suggest you learn a little bit of Spanish/Portuguese vocabulary for So.America.
And for W. and C. Africa, I would recommend some French language.
xxx
The worldwide qualification (PanAm course) was a 40 hrs 1 week class.
And pricey... sorry, I dont do it any cheaper. Flight Safety might do better price.
English only spoken by towers of international airports, FBOs and hotels.
And sometimes around UK.
Learn to drive other side if need be to rent a car.
Japan, or Australia, NZ, and many places in Africa...
xxx
Happy contrails
So... I would say it is a must... - My opinion... (I am ex PanAm)...
Of course you can get by without, legally.
xxx
There are, to my opinion "4 international type operations"...
(A) The Int'l ICAO straight procedures... i.e. most world areas.
(B) The North American operations procedures (USA-Canada).
(C) The Metric Airspace areas (and use of QFE altimeter settings).
(D) Oceanic procedures. Long range navigation. HF radio communications.
Consider to apply "some ETOPS" procedures even if not required.
And think metric, just about anywhere. Metres, Celsius, hectoPascals...
xxx
And of course do it all by yourself, if smarter than pilots who did it for 20-30 years.
Overseas, I smile when hearing US crews talking to the local ATC...
"This is Citation 123ALFA, at 17 thousand feet, say your altimeter..."
I suggest you learn a little bit of Spanish/Portuguese vocabulary for So.America.
And for W. and C. Africa, I would recommend some French language.
xxx
The worldwide qualification (PanAm course) was a 40 hrs 1 week class.
And pricey... sorry, I dont do it any cheaper. Flight Safety might do better price.
English only spoken by towers of international airports, FBOs and hotels.
And sometimes around UK.
Learn to drive other side if need be to rent a car.
Japan, or Australia, NZ, and many places in Africa...
xxx
Happy contrails
