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Soz if the post comes across as touchy. Not the intention.
I rarely get drawn into posting in PPrune but browse often. I have simply become tired of Flintstone's comments, which I feel are pretty heavy with ill-feeing towards the company. I'd like to know exactly what the company did to him to make him so very bitter.
My experience has been the polar opposite to the picture he paints. I would not wish to be anywhere else right now. It may be that, medium term, cuts have to be made - God only knows how long this situation will continue. Tell you what, though - we will be one of, if not the last, organisation to begin laying off. Mr Flintstone will undoubtedly call me naiive but I like the culture in the company and yes, I do trust that the management is working with the best of intentions.
I can almost hear Flinty typing already.....predictability alert....
I rarely get drawn into posting in PPrune but browse often. I have simply become tired of Flintstone's comments, which I feel are pretty heavy with ill-feeing towards the company. I'd like to know exactly what the company did to him to make him so very bitter.
My experience has been the polar opposite to the picture he paints. I would not wish to be anywhere else right now. It may be that, medium term, cuts have to be made - God only knows how long this situation will continue. Tell you what, though - we will be one of, if not the last, organisation to begin laying off. Mr Flintstone will undoubtedly call me naiive but I like the culture in the company and yes, I do trust that the management is working with the best of intentions.
I can almost hear Flinty typing already.....predictability alert....
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Tell you what, though - we will be one of, if not the last, organisation to begin laying off.
We certainly donīt need more pilots hitting the pavement.
Good luck to all of us!
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I am sad to say the poeple flintstone describes are true. Many times I have seen them say one thing to your face and do the other. Go ask yr colleages in the office how they are screwed again and again. You think we are safe? No.
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NJE current climate.
I agree with several of the links, and Flintstone has a lot to offer.
Nothing is perfect and the current industry is reflecting the worst in a long time. No Job is secure and NJE although the big dog in europe is not alone from reductions.
Its time to smell the music, as for other jobs out there its very tough market.
NJE is approx 40% down and the card program was a great success however short lived in an economic downturn.
NJE should look at their overheads, fuel and crewing are the Bulk. Reduction in training in the USA would help, FSI EGLF is offering most types, more TRE/TRI, company car program reduced in lisbon, training functions INDOC etc, everyone can save money. Get rid of the dead wood.
Just take a look at the sunday times rich list nearly 90% have lost millions, wealth lost used to take them to Nice, Cannes, Geneva, London now its back to reality on easy Jet.
Nothing is perfect and the current industry is reflecting the worst in a long time. No Job is secure and NJE although the big dog in europe is not alone from reductions.
Its time to smell the music, as for other jobs out there its very tough market.
NJE is approx 40% down and the card program was a great success however short lived in an economic downturn.
NJE should look at their overheads, fuel and crewing are the Bulk. Reduction in training in the USA would help, FSI EGLF is offering most types, more TRE/TRI, company car program reduced in lisbon, training functions INDOC etc, everyone can save money. Get rid of the dead wood.
Just take a look at the sunday times rich list nearly 90% have lost millions, wealth lost used to take them to Nice, Cannes, Geneva, London now its back to reality on easy Jet.
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I keep a sport plane next to a jet center here in SoCal and have noticed a dramatic dwindling of turbines on the ramp over the last six months. I just read on this thread that NJE is down 40%. Do you folks who know this business have any top-of-the-head estimates of how far off current jet activity is compared to one year ago in the U.S.?
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Flint...
Only the ones who haven't started at Oxford yet. The ones who are on their course or in further training are treated as 'in', and as such subject to whatever future options the company might come up with. So whilst they may have a job, like all of us, nothing is certain going forward.
Only the ones who haven't started at Oxford yet. The ones who are on their course or in further training are treated as 'in', and as such subject to whatever future options the company might come up with. So whilst they may have a job, like all of us, nothing is certain going forward.
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Thanks smallfry. I hope they were given suficient warning and didn't burn any bridges. Wouldn't surprise me if that were the end of the cadet scheme even when the upturn comes. It's too bloody risky (for the comapny) as recent events have shown.
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It carries the same risk as an airline cadet scheme or even someone starting out in this career trying to judge the market years ahead! It's all a gamble and right now everyone is losing.
'Not a fan of NJE but at least someone was prepared to invest in training as opposed to making crews pay for it all! Whether they would do it again however is another matter.
'Not a fan of NJE but at least someone was prepared to invest in training as opposed to making crews pay for it all! Whether they would do it again however is another matter.
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Kelly. I agree that it's a nice idea in principle and a great career start for the lucky few, streets ahead of the Ryanair 'buy your type rating' rip-off but it doesn't compare to the other schemes you mention here.
Most airlines running cadet schemes are in profit and have been around for decades neither of which applied to NJE when they introduced this scheme. Their cadets also pay in full for their licence training so it's not really some great magnanimous gesture, more of a folly.
I'm glad that the first few cadets got the benefit but it's proving to be expensive in that qualified company pilots already struggling, and in some cases failing, to maintain their 90 day requirement are seeing precious sectors being given to the cadets (which is no slur on the latter by the way). The situation has not been helped by other company decisions (Flintstone's posts, ad nauseum) that saw them overcrewed by about 300 and of course the current market. As I said, I hope none of the would-be cadets burned any bridges and that the company honours it's deal with them when things improve. If it were me thoughI'd be taking a long, hard look at the whole scheme with a view to cancelling it. Allow all those through who were promised and file the whole thing away never to be spoken of again.
It carries the same risk as an airline cadet scheme......
I'm glad that the first few cadets got the benefit but it's proving to be expensive in that qualified company pilots already struggling, and in some cases failing, to maintain their 90 day requirement are seeing precious sectors being given to the cadets (which is no slur on the latter by the way). The situation has not been helped by other company decisions (Flintstone's posts, ad nauseum) that saw them overcrewed by about 300 and of course the current market. As I said, I hope none of the would-be cadets burned any bridges and that the company honours it's deal with them when things improve. If it were me thoughI'd be taking a long, hard look at the whole scheme with a view to cancelling it. Allow all those through who were promised and file the whole thing away never to be spoken of again.
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Just to clarify what really happenned...was one the selected of the last selection process about to pass Compass at Oxford....didn't say that I was IN the course yet but just passed the first step when me and other mates in the same situation received this from OAA:
1 October 2008
Dear XXX,
We regret that we have been advised by NetJets Europe (NJE) that the current market instability, and in particular the uncertain impact it is having on all airlines, means that NJE believe it would be imprudent to go ahead with the cadet selection programme scheduled to begin next week. Consequently, NJE have requested OAA to cancel the selection arrangements.
NJE have stressed that their plans for continued growth remain in place, but the company nevertheless considers it sensible to limit short term recruitment commitments pending the restoration of market stability. Thus, whilst NetJets remains firmly committed to the successful ab-initio cadet programme entered into with Oxford Aviation Academy (OAA) in 2006, it has taken the decision to temporarily suspend new cadet selection and therefore not to run the Stage 2 selection process planned for next week.
It is not possible at this stage to estimate the duration of the suspension, but NJE believe it unlikely any new candidates for selection will be invited to Stage 2 within the next six months. When the programme is restored, all applicants who have applied for this round will be invited to reapply should they so wish and if they still meet the eligibility criteria.
At this short notice, both NJE and OAA are conscious of the disappointment the cancellation of the cadet selection programme will cause.
In further recognition of the disruption created by the short-notice cancellation, OAA is also willing to offer Skills Assessment Free of Charge to those individuals who have confirmed their attendance at the upcoming Stage 2 selection and who still wish to attend in the next 2 weeks (subject to available slots). OAA will also reduce the standard charge by 50% for those who have already made payment under the Netjets scheme, if they wish to attend for APPFO Skills Assessment during the period from 20 October to Christmas 2008. Finally, OAA will refund in full the NJE selection fees already paid by those who elect to withdraw from the competition. As you will appreciate, time is short to rearrange the skills assessment process for next week and it would be helpful if you could please confirm whether it is your intention to now withdraw, or attend for skills assessment as you are welcome to do, no later than 1200 hrs on Friday 3rd October. Please use the contact details shown below.
We very much hope that the measures we have proposed will go some way to offsetting the effects of the cancellation. Please do not hesitate to contact any of the following, at any stage to discuss the options or to seek clarification of the current situation. We will give you a courtesy call in the next few days if you are not in touch with us in the meantime. "
I'm not blaming anybody for this - I'm completely aware that we're not valuable for the company and appreciate in a way their decision of not enrolling anyone whilst not being sure to offer a job at the training end. Oxford has also been completely fair with us.
NJE is still a dream company for me considering all the aspects of the job and all the different pilots feedbacks that I got...But I'm also quite realistic and not hoping so much...or at least trying to!
1 October 2008
Dear XXX,
We regret that we have been advised by NetJets Europe (NJE) that the current market instability, and in particular the uncertain impact it is having on all airlines, means that NJE believe it would be imprudent to go ahead with the cadet selection programme scheduled to begin next week. Consequently, NJE have requested OAA to cancel the selection arrangements.
NJE have stressed that their plans for continued growth remain in place, but the company nevertheless considers it sensible to limit short term recruitment commitments pending the restoration of market stability. Thus, whilst NetJets remains firmly committed to the successful ab-initio cadet programme entered into with Oxford Aviation Academy (OAA) in 2006, it has taken the decision to temporarily suspend new cadet selection and therefore not to run the Stage 2 selection process planned for next week.
It is not possible at this stage to estimate the duration of the suspension, but NJE believe it unlikely any new candidates for selection will be invited to Stage 2 within the next six months. When the programme is restored, all applicants who have applied for this round will be invited to reapply should they so wish and if they still meet the eligibility criteria.
At this short notice, both NJE and OAA are conscious of the disappointment the cancellation of the cadet selection programme will cause.
In further recognition of the disruption created by the short-notice cancellation, OAA is also willing to offer Skills Assessment Free of Charge to those individuals who have confirmed their attendance at the upcoming Stage 2 selection and who still wish to attend in the next 2 weeks (subject to available slots). OAA will also reduce the standard charge by 50% for those who have already made payment under the Netjets scheme, if they wish to attend for APPFO Skills Assessment during the period from 20 October to Christmas 2008. Finally, OAA will refund in full the NJE selection fees already paid by those who elect to withdraw from the competition. As you will appreciate, time is short to rearrange the skills assessment process for next week and it would be helpful if you could please confirm whether it is your intention to now withdraw, or attend for skills assessment as you are welcome to do, no later than 1200 hrs on Friday 3rd October. Please use the contact details shown below.
We very much hope that the measures we have proposed will go some way to offsetting the effects of the cancellation. Please do not hesitate to contact any of the following, at any stage to discuss the options or to seek clarification of the current situation. We will give you a courtesy call in the next few days if you are not in touch with us in the meantime. "
I'm not blaming anybody for this - I'm completely aware that we're not valuable for the company and appreciate in a way their decision of not enrolling anyone whilst not being sure to offer a job at the training end. Oxford has also been completely fair with us.
NJE is still a dream company for me considering all the aspects of the job and all the different pilots feedbacks that I got...But I'm also quite realistic and not hoping so much...or at least trying to!
