NASP Screening could extend to all A/C?!
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NASP Screening could extend to all A/C?!
Does anyone have the latest news on the story that the German authorities are pushing to have a requirement for all aircraft, whether private or public transport, to be screened (i.e. NASP)? The debate I believe is whether this should be all aircraft regardless of the nature of the flight, either above 10 tonnes or 15 tonnes.
It has been touted that some European harmonisation on this could come into play from April 2010.
Can't find anything on the web about this. The Americans of course have been talking of a weight requirement as low as 5.7 tonnes or above.
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It has been touted that some European harmonisation on this could come into play from April 2010.
Can't find anything on the web about this. The Americans of course have been talking of a weight requirement as low as 5.7 tonnes or above.
Concerned private biz av operator
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Why concerned?
Sure, it takes a minute or two to get a crew screened, you have to carry the milk etc. in a closed bag tagged "Hold", and obviously the boss won't like it, but that about sums it up.
Nothing that'll rock the boat in any major way
Sure, it takes a minute or two to get a crew screened, you have to carry the milk etc. in a closed bag tagged "Hold", and obviously the boss won't like it, but that about sums it up.
Nothing that'll rock the boat in any major way
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Not so - it's a complete nightmare at many European airports and can add delays of 30+ minutes on many occassions. Aside from that, there are many GA/Business Aviation airports that either can't provide screening at all or can only do so with a bit of prior notice.
The joke will always be say an Excel or Lear 45 going out with 8 pax won't need to be screened but a Hawker with say just the owner on board will, along with the catering and fine bottles of claret they might wish to take along - actually they wont be able to take that wine after all, no liquids of course other than that provided at vast expense in sealed containers from a proper, approved aviation caterer.
Overkill and wholly unecessary - if they do indeed include private flights above 10 tonnes.
15 tonnes would be more rational and tolerable, still a pain though for certain private ops.
The joke will always be say an Excel or Lear 45 going out with 8 pax won't need to be screened but a Hawker with say just the owner on board will, along with the catering and fine bottles of claret they might wish to take along - actually they wont be able to take that wine after all, no liquids of course other than that provided at vast expense in sealed containers from a proper, approved aviation caterer.
Overkill and wholly unecessary - if they do indeed include private flights above 10 tonnes.
15 tonnes would be more rational and tolerable, still a pain though for certain private ops.
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We fly both private and AOC-ops - have own stores, all screened when brought in, so we generally take liquids enough for the return flight.
The 100-ml-rule only applies to commercial Ops - and even there I have never had security confiscate that bottle of fizz the punters had brought along. Always asked if I was happy to take it, nothing more. This has worked in several locations across Europe.
What airports have had problems screening your flight? Haven't come across that one yet, but there's always a first. PPR is often required for Customs etc anyway, so might not be as much hassle as you think?
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The 100-ml-rule only applies to commercial Ops - and even there I have never had security confiscate that bottle of fizz the punters had brought along. Always asked if I was happy to take it, nothing more. This has worked in several locations across Europe.
What airports have had problems screening your flight? Haven't come across that one yet, but there's always a first. PPR is often required for Customs etc anyway, so might not be as much hassle as you think?
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Hi All,
Long time lurker, first time poster, the answer to the above, at least in the UK, is yes and no. Winnebago's got most of the issues right
If you're flying in a 'qualifying' aircraft, operating from a Restricted Zone (RZ), you will almost certainly be screened. That means all incoming goods (e.g. catering supplies and dry goods) must be 'known' goods. i.e. security checked and supplied for by a DfT (Dept for Transport) approved catering company as being safe to carried on board.
'Qualifying aircraft' means:
a) Registered or operating in the UK,
b) is a public transport aircraft,
c) is not a cargo-only aircraft,
d) has i) a MTOW of 10 tonnes or more, or
ii) more than 19 seats, or
iii) is to be used for a flight which's been assessed by the DfT as being at under threat (various threat levels apply).
These regulations have been in force for many years.
For aircraft operating from Controlled Zone (CZ), a temporary RZ is set up around the aircraft and it becomes a 'screener' flight. Then your flight is subject to the restrictions mentioned.
We, as a catering company specialising in corporate aviation, are under a strict legal duty to certify & provide documentary proof that catering and dry goods supplied to you have been checked & declared safe, by our trained personnel. Even the training of our personnel has to be done by DfT-approved trainers.
Fortunately we're DfT approved; i.e. 'under Direction'.
With our supplies to aircraft, this mean delivery of checked goods in sealed vans, with accompanying statutory paperwork, direct to the aircraft. The catering & dry goods should only given to authorised aircrew.
We have to and do take this extremely seriously. If we don't, the DfT will revoke our license to operate, with obvious consequences.
Don't blame the ramp & FBO security personnel because as I understand it (purely heresay), they're directly liable for any breaches of security, if they allow 'unknown' goods to enter a 'qualifying' aircraft.
I understand that the EU Regs 300/20008, which include provision of catering and security of supply, are currently being re-drafted for implementation in 2010, so things may get 'tighter' after that date.
Hope this helps and please feel free to contact me for any further info. BTW, I'm not a lawyer
Long time lurker, first time poster, the answer to the above, at least in the UK, is yes and no. Winnebago's got most of the issues right
If you're flying in a 'qualifying' aircraft, operating from a Restricted Zone (RZ), you will almost certainly be screened. That means all incoming goods (e.g. catering supplies and dry goods) must be 'known' goods. i.e. security checked and supplied for by a DfT (Dept for Transport) approved catering company as being safe to carried on board.
'Qualifying aircraft' means:
a) Registered or operating in the UK,
b) is a public transport aircraft,
c) is not a cargo-only aircraft,
d) has i) a MTOW of 10 tonnes or more, or
ii) more than 19 seats, or
iii) is to be used for a flight which's been assessed by the DfT as being at under threat (various threat levels apply).
These regulations have been in force for many years.
For aircraft operating from Controlled Zone (CZ), a temporary RZ is set up around the aircraft and it becomes a 'screener' flight. Then your flight is subject to the restrictions mentioned.
We, as a catering company specialising in corporate aviation, are under a strict legal duty to certify & provide documentary proof that catering and dry goods supplied to you have been checked & declared safe, by our trained personnel. Even the training of our personnel has to be done by DfT-approved trainers.
Fortunately we're DfT approved; i.e. 'under Direction'.
With our supplies to aircraft, this mean delivery of checked goods in sealed vans, with accompanying statutory paperwork, direct to the aircraft. The catering & dry goods should only given to authorised aircrew.
We have to and do take this extremely seriously. If we don't, the DfT will revoke our license to operate, with obvious consequences.
Don't blame the ramp & FBO security personnel because as I understand it (purely heresay), they're directly liable for any breaches of security, if they allow 'unknown' goods to enter a 'qualifying' aircraft.
I understand that the EU Regs 300/20008, which include provision of catering and security of supply, are currently being re-drafted for implementation in 2010, so things may get 'tighter' after that date.
Hope this helps and please feel free to contact me for any further info. BTW, I'm not a lawyer
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Oh great, the paranoia is reaching higher levels. Like in Baden-Baden and Strassbourg these days during the NATO summit. People not allowed to use their balconies, no VFR flying at all etcetc. Why donīt they just nuke Europe, itīd be safe then. Fukc all these politicians.
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Question to CuisineAir
Hi - how do you screen an un-opened bottle of wine or champagne?
If the aircraft arrives with stores that haven't been screened including wine, or the passengers want to bring a bottle of wine with them how do you let them take that wine?
How can a DfT approved caterer promise that a bottle of wine hasn't been tampered with?
Could end up with lots of very fine plonk being left in the FBOs!
If the aircraft arrives with stores that haven't been screened including wine, or the passengers want to bring a bottle of wine with them how do you let them take that wine?
How can a DfT approved caterer promise that a bottle of wine hasn't been tampered with?
Could end up with lots of very fine plonk being left in the FBOs!
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In Father Ted's immortal words, "That would be an ecumenical matter".
Obviously I won't go into specific details, but the entire security process is based on ensuring that 'unknown' goods become 'known' goods.
Obviously I won't go into specific details, but the entire security process is based on ensuring that 'unknown' goods become 'known' goods.
