Cuba to Northolt - ETOPS...?
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Cuba to Northolt - ETOPS...?
We noticed something in work today that made us wonder whether there's anyone in the CAA thinking the same thing....
How does a GIV operate from Cuba to Northolt (BBC NEWS | UK | Freed detainee 'happy to be home') presumably as a charter and comply with ETOPS?
We can't get it to work.... so maybe it's a programming issue in Jepps...?
How does a GIV operate from Cuba to Northolt (BBC NEWS | UK | Freed detainee 'happy to be home') presumably as a charter and comply with ETOPS?
We can't get it to work.... so maybe it's a programming issue in Jepps...?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/24/wo...4gitmo.html?hp
N128AB is a rare G400, with EVS.
Who paid the £160,000 trip?
N128AB is a rare G400, with EVS.
Who paid the £160,000 trip?
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private / under 100000lbs / government / good winds...
but by my calculations, MUGM to EGWU staying within 120 mins at M0.80 is easily possible non etops. 3917nm and 8:32 with still air.....
But who did pay?
AFAIK - I think that the G400 can do about 4200nm book figures.
but by my calculations, MUGM to EGWU staying within 120 mins at M0.80 is easily possible non etops. 3917nm and 8:32 with still air.....
But who did pay?
AFAIK - I think that the G400 can do about 4200nm book figures.
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If indeed it was the British Taxpayer who paid for this "Bitish" citizen to return from Cuba then I would hope the job would go to a UK operator such as GAMA Gulfstream or London Executive Falcon, however the home office would not consider that little detail!
does anybody know who actually who picked up the tab for this flight, if indeeed it is us then I am not happy for one.
does anybody know who actually who picked up the tab for this flight, if indeeed it is us then I am not happy for one.
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part 135 or 90?
it has been noted previously that this operator has filed "privately / G" when perhaps they should have filed "commercial / N". Does anybody know how they filed for this trip? 
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I didn't say that they HAD filed private, it was a possibility. I have no idea.
Also, just to clarify, is it correct that the gentleman in question is not a British Citizen, but a 'Resident'.
Also, just to clarify, is it correct that the gentleman in question is not a British Citizen, but a 'Resident'.
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If its operated as a 135 flight then they can go 180 minutes without prior ETOPs approval from the FAA, and then up to 240 minutes as long as they are using adequately equiped diversion airports. If its a 91 flight then they will just use 'best practise'
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But who did pay?
He was flown back on a luxury Gulfstream jet accompanied by two Foreign Office officials, two Metropolitan police officers and a doctor.
The Foreign Office and Home Office jointly paid for the trip, which is estimated to have cost as much as £160,000.
The Foreign Office and Home Office jointly paid for the trip, which is estimated to have cost as much as £160,000.
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What a crazy world we live in. No wonder the economy and all else is so screwed up.
First they keep this guy detained for years with supposedly no formal charges and tortures and then they set him free and ship him back home on a top of the line bizjet at a cost of 160000 to the tax payer!!!
He must think we are all
mad! A bit schezofrenic?
If he must be flown i a biz jet, separate from civilian pax, I wonder how much less it would have cost to send a RAF HS 125?
First they keep this guy detained for years with supposedly no formal charges and tortures and then they set him free and ship him back home on a top of the line bizjet at a cost of 160000 to the tax payer!!!
He must think we are all
mad! A bit schezofrenic?If he must be flown i a biz jet, separate from civilian pax, I wonder how much less it would have cost to send a RAF HS 125?
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Tax Payer
As a tax payer what was wrong with economy class on any airline coming
over the Pond . Am writing to my MP For a refund of my share of cost
wont be much but its the principle of this waste of OUR Money
Tony
over the Pond . Am writing to my MP For a refund of my share of cost
wont be much but its the principle of this waste of OUR Money
Tony
Any airlines run from Miami -UK , COST? Gitmo -Miami,Mil Herk.Of course his `H-R` might be compromised travelling `economy`,and Fat Max will be there to see his story gets loads in a tabloid !
There's no satisfying some folks....all these years there has been an outcry to free this poor suffering Sod. Then, when the Realm goes out of their way to make up for his imprisionment and all those hardships.....folks whine about the cost, whether it was a UK operator, whether ETOPS was complied with and all manner of complaints.
I should think you folks would be quite proud the Realm was willing to part with a paltry sum as it did and provide the poor fellow some first class treatment that he was long overdue.
Reckon his flight back home to Ethiopia, or wherever he sprung from before claiming Blighty as his home, will be as fancy?
If the Home Office gives him the boot....will they try to reclaim the cost of his airfare from Gitmo?
I should think you folks would be quite proud the Realm was willing to part with a paltry sum as it did and provide the poor fellow some first class treatment that he was long overdue.
Reckon his flight back home to Ethiopia, or wherever he sprung from before claiming Blighty as his home, will be as fancy?
If the Home Office gives him the boot....will they try to reclaim the cost of his airfare from Gitmo?
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I fear that you have the wrong end of the stick; old boy.
In addition, if we had been offered the charter, the money would have stayed in the UK economy, and perhaps our company would not close down tomorrow, and cost the country even more.
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In addition, if we had been offered the charter, the money would have stayed in the UK economy, and perhaps our company would not close down tomorrow, and cost the country even more.
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etops
I agree that the job should have gone to a UK Operator if the UK government payed for the flight.
For a non ETOPS EASA operator, one needs 120 minutes at single engine cruise speed. I think we quoted this job on our Hawker 800 and even we could stay legal. One has to modify the best route by about 100 n.m to stay within the Bermuda/St Johns and Azores distance/time rings but it still works.
I think we quoted about £65-70,000. That would have been nice in this climate but I suppose that as we are not a bank we do not qualify for any cash from the Government.
Who organised the flight, which broker was involved? (the government would never deal direct) . If it was a british broker he should be ashamed at giving it to a US operator
For a non ETOPS EASA operator, one needs 120 minutes at single engine cruise speed. I think we quoted this job on our Hawker 800 and even we could stay legal. One has to modify the best route by about 100 n.m to stay within the Bermuda/St Johns and Azores distance/time rings but it still works.
I think we quoted about £65-70,000. That would have been nice in this climate but I suppose that as we are not a bank we do not qualify for any cash from the Government.
Who organised the flight, which broker was involved? (the government would never deal direct) . If it was a british broker he should be ashamed at giving it to a US operator
