What is the best Biz Jet rating to get
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What is the best Biz Jet rating to get
I would like to know if anyone can give me advise on which is the best Business jet rating to have.
I am looking to get into corporate flying after being in an airline environment for many years.
I am in a position to pay for a type rating but would like to know which is the best rating to get and why.
At the moment I fly the Boeing 737-800 as a Captain so the obvious choice would be down the BBJ road but I not sure this is the best option as this is a limited market, particularly with the BBJ being at the top end of the business jet market.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
FF
I am looking to get into corporate flying after being in an airline environment for many years.
I am in a position to pay for a type rating but would like to know which is the best rating to get and why.
At the moment I fly the Boeing 737-800 as a Captain so the obvious choice would be down the BBJ road but I not sure this is the best option as this is a limited market, particularly with the BBJ being at the top end of the business jet market.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Fluffy flyer, why would you do that? I can (almost) understand paying for a type to get that very important first job.
But to ruin everybody elses T&C just because you can......
But to ruin everybody elses T&C just because you can......
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Fluffy Flyer.....have you ever done any corporate work before? Its just that its a completely different type of flying......this has been covered numerous times before on this forum, just do a search.
With your type of experience you should be aiming at operators that will rate and bond you. I think your only stumbling block will be the operators willing to risk that you will be flexible enough to adapt to the corporate workplace.
Go for a large operator with BBJ's and smaller types that you could move onto once you've proven yourself. I suggest Gama might be a good bet......and judging my todays press, I think they could be in the market for a 604 Captain........ ;-)
With your type of experience you should be aiming at operators that will rate and bond you. I think your only stumbling block will be the operators willing to risk that you will be flexible enough to adapt to the corporate workplace.
Go for a large operator with BBJ's and smaller types that you could move onto once you've proven yourself. I suggest Gama might be a good bet......and judging my todays press, I think they could be in the market for a 604 Captain........ ;-)
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Why would you even consider coming to our side of the fence? The bizjet market is awful, you are away months at a time, the pay is below minimum wage, you fly in excess of 900 hours a year, no prospect for advancement. Stay in your cushy airline job.
If you do want a recomendation for a rating, you can't go wrong with an eclipse rating; that thing is the future of business aviation.
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If you do want a recomendation for a rating, you can't go wrong with an eclipse rating; that thing is the future of business aviation.
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I have had 6 ratings altogether (none paid for by me). Whenever I looked for a job, I had the wrong ones at that time. THIS is the ultimate secret of executive aviation. "If you´d have this rating plus 500hrs on type...." heard that more than once.
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Fluffy flyer
It really isn't necessary to pay for a rating. If you have the experience you say and are serious about moving to Corporate, any established operator worth their salt will type you with a bond. The difficulty may be convincing them that you will stick around long enough to give them value for their money.
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It really isn't necessary to pay for a rating. If you have the experience you say and are serious about moving to Corporate, any established operator worth their salt will type you with a bond. The difficulty may be convincing them that you will stick around long enough to give them value for their money.
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Do NOT buy one...you cannot predict what job is open, requiring what rating. You are ruining the profession for those coming up behind you.
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You've got the rating!
FF, can't imagine why you would want to waste your money on what will probably be the wrong type rating anyway, when you already have a BBJ licence right now. You will definitely find a corporate BBJ is a lot more interesting than what you are used to, and there are plenty of BBJ operators looking for people like you........try Royal Jet, PrivateAir etc.
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Thank you to everyone for your advise.
Please don’t get me wrong my intention is not to ruin it for anyone that may follow or to change T & C for others in this industry. If there are employers out there that will pay and bond then that will be the route I take.
I was of the miss guided opinion that in order to get a corporate jet job you needed the rating and there was no other way but to pay for it yourself.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my post greatly appreciated.
FF
Please don’t get me wrong my intention is not to ruin it for anyone that may follow or to change T & C for others in this industry. If there are employers out there that will pay and bond then that will be the route I take.
I was of the miss guided opinion that in order to get a corporate jet job you needed the rating and there was no other way but to pay for it yourself.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my post greatly appreciated.
FF
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The best rating to have?
Definitely a rating on one of the newer Learjets, preferably a model with winglets.
That way you are out of the upgrade race. When all your colleagues race for the heaviest jet on the market you will still be flying the sexiest best looking ship on the ramp.
Its an easy decision: Corporate fighterjet or livingroom with wings?!?
Definitely a rating on one of the newer Learjets, preferably a model with winglets.
That way you are out of the upgrade race. When all your colleagues race for the heaviest jet on the market you will still be flying the sexiest best looking ship on the ramp.
Its an easy decision: Corporate fighterjet or livingroom with wings?!?
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That has always been the difficult question, and as far as the back benchers saying do not pay for it, in the current aviation market, we all need as much help as we can get. Look up the job offers, the aircraft that are in the most need of crew. Lear 60's, HSI 125 series, are used extensivily. The cl -300 is becoming popular, the Cessna series jets, such as the XLS. IN the Big Iron, the Falcon 900 and G-4 series are busy, There are a few BBJ jobs, but those are usually who you know or who knows you. Do a bit of reserach first, keeping in mind that having the rating is only the first step. The question you have asked has been debated for decades, and as the fleets grow the options grow. ON the the outside having a rating on a new jet , such as the Falcon 7X, puts you out there as one of the first on the new deliveries, I would say it is a coin toss currently.
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That has always been the difficult question, and as far as the back benchers saying do not pay for it, in the current aviation market, we all need as much help as we can get. Look up the job offers, the aircraft that are in the most need of crew. Lear 60's, HSI 125 series, are used extensivily. The cl -300 is becoming popular, the Cessna series jets, such as the XLS. IN the Big Iron, the Falcon 900 and G-4 series are busy, There are a few BBJ jobs, but those are usually who you know or who knows you. Do a bit of reserach first, keeping in mind that having the rating is only the first step. The question you have asked has been debated for decades, and as the fleets grow the options grow. ON the the outside having a rating on a new jet , such as the Falcon 7X, puts you out there as one of the first on the new deliveries, I would say it is a coin toss currently.
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..............while I would say it's a waste of time and of course, money. You've just listed seven types for Fluffy to buy a TR on, how does that help?
New aircraft come with several type ratings thrown in. Why buy one when the owner can type a pilot for nothing?
No, really? 
ON the the outside having a rating on a new jet , such as the Falcon 7X, puts you out there as one of the first on the new deliveries,
I would say it is a coin toss currently.
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I'm in a similar situation. I have managed to get state-funding for a type-rating (well one of the advantages in living in a high-tax country I suppose!). I can do just about any type-rating I want. Obviously I want to pick one that will lead to a job. So if any companies out there are looking for a ready to go type rated pilot happy to hear from you by PM.
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No PicMas, Tax has nothing to do with it. It comes out of the unemployment insurance all employers and employees are paying into. CirrusF has managed to secure something that gives him an advantage, whilst other will not get the payment, as there is limited supply. I could say - if I´d be sarcastic - I´m paying to help him into a job and me out of it, or not into the same, since I´d have to either self-fund (not my cup of tea) or the company would have to pay, which it certainly would not do if CirrusF sticks around with his Arbeitsagenturmoney. It is, to cut a long thing short, its one of these little warts our over social socialnetwork grows from time to time.
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ok but...
CirrusF referred to the situation as a result of living in a high-tax community?!?
Anyways, call it what you want; tax, social contributions, socialist-lets-all-be-equally-poor-payment. The funds come from somewhere, so where one is offered a great advantage another is paying the bill...
...Which is great for CirrusF -
Actually made for a nice daydream for me today, as I was passing time in the recliner in the lounge.
"If you could pick any rating, which would you pick?"
CirrusF referred to the situation as a result of living in a high-tax community?!?
Anyways, call it what you want; tax, social contributions, socialist-lets-all-be-equally-poor-payment. The funds come from somewhere, so where one is offered a great advantage another is paying the bill...
...Which is great for CirrusF -
Actually made for a nice daydream for me today, as I was passing time in the recliner in the lounge.
"If you could pick any rating, which would you pick?"