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Has anyone talked with BJets out of Mumbai & Hyderabad, CJ2 & Hawker Operator. It seems that the Pay is very and working conditions are very poor.!!!!
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Bjets have a background of stability. And working conditions are not poor. It depends where you work.
Presently, India, is one of the few countries, which is paying really well.
But you have to be aware where you work.
Aviators India has been trying to get on their feet for quite sum time.......
dont expect much from there!
Also stay away from regional airlines like MDLR and Paramountairways.
Nothing there except disgust.
Living in india can be as good as anywhere, since 1US$ is now INR 49.
A good house, car with driver and maid can be made easily available.
So its not so difficult. But be cautious where u join to work.
Presently, India, is one of the few countries, which is paying really well.
But you have to be aware where you work.
Aviators India has been trying to get on their feet for quite sum time.......
dont expect much from there!
Also stay away from regional airlines like MDLR and Paramountairways.
Nothing there except disgust.
Living in india can be as good as anywhere, since 1US$ is now INR 49.
A good house, car with driver and maid can be made easily available.
So its not so difficult. But be cautious where u join to work.
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No chance in India if you aren't (1) Indian AND/OR (2) Captain on type with lots of hours.
Things aren't easy!!! That's putting it mildly too!
P.S. Maverick...where did you get the idea of stability from?
Things aren't easy!!! That's putting it mildly too!
P.S. Maverick...where did you get the idea of stability from?
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No chance in India unless you are Indian? Well I'm not Indian, but was begged to go out there for 10 sterling a month in August to fly a Hawker. The guy asked four or five of us - all gave the same answer, no thanks.
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WOW - Stability and Bjets in one post! Maverick, please don't take offense but you must be a recruiter for Bjets or from another planet. By the way Fella's (and Gals) THEY DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE RECRUITER IN THIS THREAD - so watch what you believe.
I talked to one of the new heads at Bjets a couple of weeks ago that was bringing over a G550 for them - he (according to "him") in his own words, "set up" Net Jets Middle East and Net Jets Europe. I passed on an interview at this time - which I could have easily driven to.
Maybe, just maybe with some new hands at the helm they can get somewhere. But, this op has a LONG way to go to reach the term stable. Maybe when they ARE up and running and have some attrition I'll head over. Until then, anyone that has anything good to say is, well.......read above.
By the way, before any of you gets too pie in the sky and excited about over-seas adventures and good dough, etc. consider fully the ramifications of flying as a CONTRACT pilot first - especially when as an expat.
Oh and due credit CAN be given to the whimsical DGCA for a portion of the Bjet woes, but Bjets has still exemplified considerable errors in judgment time and time again. Hopefully in this case the old adage, "Nothing is more imminent then change" will come true.
Okay bring on the questions and the arguments.
-Flyingthru
I talked to one of the new heads at Bjets a couple of weeks ago that was bringing over a G550 for them - he (according to "him") in his own words, "set up" Net Jets Middle East and Net Jets Europe. I passed on an interview at this time - which I could have easily driven to.
Maybe, just maybe with some new hands at the helm they can get somewhere. But, this op has a LONG way to go to reach the term stable. Maybe when they ARE up and running and have some attrition I'll head over. Until then, anyone that has anything good to say is, well.......read above.
By the way, before any of you gets too pie in the sky and excited about over-seas adventures and good dough, etc. consider fully the ramifications of flying as a CONTRACT pilot first - especially when as an expat.
Oh and due credit CAN be given to the whimsical DGCA for a portion of the Bjet woes, but Bjets has still exemplified considerable errors in judgment time and time again. Hopefully in this case the old adage, "Nothing is more imminent then change" will come true.
Okay bring on the questions and the arguments.
-Flyingthru
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By the way Fella's (and Gals) THEY DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE RECRUITER IN THIS THREAD - so watch what you believe.
That would be me then?
Please feel free to quote anything I've written or said, here or anywhere else, that might even remotely have been construed as misleading in connection with BJets and/or India. If anything I've always gone out of my way to say at the very least that I didn't know the answer to a question and have probably painted a far worse than accurate picture in order to avoid disappointment. I have also done quite a bit of CV work, recommendation and interviewing for no personal gain (recent interviews in Heathrow to name just one instance). If that makes me someone to avoid I'd better start carrying a bell.
Unclean!! Unclean!!!
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Lesson LEARNT! never believe what u hear!
Okeydokey.......Stuff bout BJETS (stability an all) 
was sumthing I heard from Corporate Jockeys, when I was tryin to bail out from my present hell!!!! ( translate present job
)........so could be wrong.........
But Aviators India.....i've suffered..........so can vouch for that.....
clarifying myself........M no recruiting agent
........ just a rookie
.....like everybody........trying to find a stable ground myself!!!
was sumthing I heard from Corporate Jockeys, when I was tryin to bail out from my present hell!!!! ( translate present job)........so could be wrong.........But Aviators India.....i've suffered..........so can vouch for that.....
clarifying myself........M no recruiting agent
........ just a rookie.....like everybody........trying to find a stable ground myself!!!
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Warning
Anyone desperate enough to consider working in India, think again. Stay at home.
The DGCA have come up with a regulation overnight, that says all expats who leave the country for personal reasons, will have to reapply for a security clearance before commencing duties. Six weeks at least.
There are 6000 Indian pilots out of work in India and the expats, the companies cant get rid of quick enough, the DGCA are regulating out, therefore making expats unemployable. Leave them to it.
The DGCA have come up with a regulation overnight, that says all expats who leave the country for personal reasons, will have to reapply for a security clearance before commencing duties. Six weeks at least.
There are 6000 Indian pilots out of work in India and the expats, the companies cant get rid of quick enough, the DGCA are regulating out, therefore making expats unemployable. Leave them to it.
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India and Italy
Yes there is a connection.
Italy decided many years ago to put a very high tax on corporate aircraft.
They believed it would generate vast revenue.
Not so fast.
Rich Italians are not stupid, they registered the aircraft overseas, and only visited Italy when required.
Result: NO vast revenue.
India, if they have decided to take the route as mentioned in the above post, then the aircraft will be based in a close by country. I know of several NRI, with aircraft in UAE, and only visit India, when required.
Result: No increase in employed Indian pilots. (My experience is that there are either very good Indians or very bad indian pilots. NRI owners, do not want Indian drivers.
Well thats my observations.
glf
Italy decided many years ago to put a very high tax on corporate aircraft.
They believed it would generate vast revenue.
Not so fast.
Rich Italians are not stupid, they registered the aircraft overseas, and only visited Italy when required.
Result: NO vast revenue.
India, if they have decided to take the route as mentioned in the above post, then the aircraft will be based in a close by country. I know of several NRI, with aircraft in UAE, and only visit India, when required.
Result: No increase in employed Indian pilots. (My experience is that there are either very good Indians or very bad indian pilots. NRI owners, do not want Indian drivers.
Well thats my observations.
glf
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At the risk of having the finger pointed at me again...........
The people funding BJets are rich, influential and do not take kindly to having obstacles put in their way by interfering or self serving officials. A classic example was the Tata car plant in West Bengal that was threatened by agitators. Despite an investment of $338 million the company shut up shop and moved elsewhere.
Tata Motors moves Indian Nano plant | Cleantech Group
Part of the investment in BJets comes from Singapore. Now this is purely me guessing here but if the Indians continue to make life difficult where would I go? Nothing says the aircraft on order have to go on the Indian register and it wouldn't be difficult to transfer the ones that already are. When Netjets Europe was being set up only two countries would allow them fractional ownership on a commercial AOC, Portugal and the Netherlands. NJ chose Portugal purely on the basis of cost but admitted later on that they should have opted for the Netherlands which although more expensive would have been far more efficient.
The parallels here are obvious and many of the people involved in BJets are ex-NJE. I would be very surprised if they sat back and watched the same mistakes being made.
The people funding BJets are rich, influential and do not take kindly to having obstacles put in their way by interfering or self serving officials. A classic example was the Tata car plant in West Bengal that was threatened by agitators. Despite an investment of $338 million the company shut up shop and moved elsewhere.
Tata Motors moves Indian Nano plant | Cleantech Group
Part of the investment in BJets comes from Singapore. Now this is purely me guessing here but if the Indians continue to make life difficult where would I go? Nothing says the aircraft on order have to go on the Indian register and it wouldn't be difficult to transfer the ones that already are. When Netjets Europe was being set up only two countries would allow them fractional ownership on a commercial AOC, Portugal and the Netherlands. NJ chose Portugal purely on the basis of cost but admitted later on that they should have opted for the Netherlands which although more expensive would have been far more efficient.
The parallels here are obvious and many of the people involved in BJets are ex-NJE. I would be very surprised if they sat back and watched the same mistakes being made.
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Corporate Pilot working in India for almost a year now.
It has pros and cons - but you have to really push hard for the right T/C etc.
If you are experienced enough you will get a very good package - but expect to be there to train Locals to take over your job. I work with some excellent pilots.
RE the DGCA issuing a rule about a new security clearance if you leave the country - sounds interesting on my commuting contract...
Tell me more...
It has pros and cons - but you have to really push hard for the right T/C etc.
If you are experienced enough you will get a very good package - but expect to be there to train Locals to take over your job. I work with some excellent pilots.
RE the DGCA issuing a rule about a new security clearance if you leave the country - sounds interesting on my commuting contract...
Tell me more...
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My take on this is the expats are effectively going to be held prisoner in India, if they want to keep their jobs. It applies to all, scheduled and non scheduled, apparently.