Getting paid with FAA PPL on "N" jet.
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Using a school that specialises in this and uses the computer based database can reduce this to a day, two at the most. Of course that will teach you the answers to the questions and not necessarily the syllabus. I did this with two colleagues (about eight years ago, granted) and we averaged high 90's pass rates. Pavlov has a lot to answer for.
Using a school that specialises in this and uses the computer based database can reduce this to a day, two at the most. Of course that will teach you the answers to the questions and not necessarily the syllabus. I did this with two colleagues (about eight years ago, granted) and we averaged high 90's pass rates. Pavlov has a lot to answer for.
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Apart from when the guy who is giving you your Check Ride/ATP check decides on the oral he can ask you more or less anything he likes out of FAR AIM .
There I was knowing the aircraft systems inside out having to explain what excemptions the FAA have filed with ICAO regarding runway markings....
Do a driveby ATP at your peril....its worthwhile even if just not to look a prat before you jump in the box....
There I was knowing the aircraft systems inside out having to explain what excemptions the FAA have filed with ICAO regarding runway markings....
Do a driveby ATP at your peril....its worthwhile even if just not to look a prat before you jump in the box....
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I have to agree with a blue-(something or other) on another thread Mr Flintstone....................... 23:28 and still posting.......................get a life...........
Oh and yes l am just back from the pub....................(where did you get the beer mug smilie from )?.........
Oh and yes l am just back from the pub....................(where did you get the beer mug smilie from )?.........
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It's 23:28 where YOU are, perhaps not where I am. Time zones, UTC.... 
I told you looking out the window during your ground school wasn't a good idea.
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The sad silly fact remains, if an owner of a jet wants to get a PPL into his corporate jet,
Now, if it so blasted important that this guy flies the jet as a PPL, then he can sell the damn thing to CirrusF for a dollar and then ride around in it as his buddy. Course I have no idea how Cirrus F can pay the operational cost of the Lear, because his boss cannot pay him so the boss can ride around in it. He still needs a co-pilot.
Look folks, Guppy is 100% correct on this, let it go and stay legal.
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If it's not hours, why not just do CPL, then an FAA ATP with the type checkride? If you've got the time and experience already, the CPL should cost less than $1000 US and be done in a few days.
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Well I'm reading on here, and clearly the boss will have to fork out for all the bollocks of me filling in the endless paperwork to go to USA to get an FAA CPL, just so he can pay me a salary to fly alongside him, even though it adds nothing to my ability as a pilot (leaving aside FAA v JAR squabbles) and even though in reality the job where I will earn my salary is managing his yacht. But in this instance what seems even more absurd to me is that the boss himself flies LHS with an FAA PPL/IR! So the captain can fly on a PPL, but not the FO (even though he has a CPL but just from a different regime). All a bit daft IMO.
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61.113 - Private pilot privileges and limitations: Pilot in command.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (g) of this section, no person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft.
(b) A private pilot may, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft in connection with any business or employment if:
(1) The flight is only incidental to that business or employment; and
(2) The aircraft does not carry passengers or property for compensation or hire.
Question now is:
Is your paycheck tied to your flightduty?
Yes --> Need CPL
No --> Need PPL
Safety, recurrent training, sound operational procedures, CRM... Thats a whole 'nother matter
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (g) of this section, no person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft.
(b) A private pilot may, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft in connection with any business or employment if:
(1) The flight is only incidental to that business or employment; and
(2) The aircraft does not carry passengers or property for compensation or hire.
Question now is:
Is your paycheck tied to your flightduty?
Yes --> Need CPL
No --> Need PPL
Safety, recurrent training, sound operational procedures, CRM... Thats a whole 'nother matter
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Thanks PICMAs - My paycheck will be as boss's yacht manager. This will genuinely take up most of my professional time. Plane is entirely private - there are absolutely never any fee paying passengers or freight. The only pax are friends and family. So maybe I only need an FAA PPL? The captain only has PPL so why would I need CPL if I am not being paid for flying?
Obviously I will be doing the type-rating and all other airframe specific training so let's leave that out from now on! And to those who say "just get the CPL - it will only cost a few thousand dollars" - well I ask if you are so ready to throw away a few thousand dollars perhaps you would like to send the money over to me? I don't want to waste either my own money, nor my boss's money if it is he who ends up paying. I wouldn't be his yacht captain or manager if I threw away a few thousand dollars for nothing, nor would my boss be a wealthy man!
In any case, what will be the downside for me if I do take the job on the basis of my FAA PPL?
As I have said, the insurance are happy to insure the aircraft on the basis of my JAR CPL/IR/ME and my hours, as long as I do the type rating. The aircraft will remain entirely in Europe. So do I need to worry about the FAA? What is the worse they can do to me?
Obviously I will be doing the type-rating and all other airframe specific training so let's leave that out from now on! And to those who say "just get the CPL - it will only cost a few thousand dollars" - well I ask if you are so ready to throw away a few thousand dollars perhaps you would like to send the money over to me? I don't want to waste either my own money, nor my boss's money if it is he who ends up paying. I wouldn't be his yacht captain or manager if I threw away a few thousand dollars for nothing, nor would my boss be a wealthy man!
In any case, what will be the downside for me if I do take the job on the basis of my FAA PPL?
As I have said, the insurance are happy to insure the aircraft on the basis of my JAR CPL/IR/ME and my hours, as long as I do the type rating. The aircraft will remain entirely in Europe. So do I need to worry about the FAA? What is the worse they can do to me?
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Yeah really, who is flying as his FO now? Does he need any other RATED pilots? 
I mean, yacht, private Lear and to top it off NO PASSENGERS Where do I sign?
BTW If you have the money, you can fly a B747-400 on your PPL, as long as you own the machine... AND HAVE A TYPE RATING!!!
I mean, yacht, private Lear and to top it off NO PASSENGERS Where do I sign?
BTW If you have the money, you can fly a B747-400 on your PPL, as long as you own the machine... AND HAVE A TYPE RATING!!!
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Interesting thread.1or 2 on the nail.Check your FAR/AIM to start with.
1) Rules changed some 2 or 3 years back.Ref pressure from ICAO,now all Part 91 aircraft ref Lear/complex/2 crew types must have a full PIC or SIC Type rating on PPL;CPL or ATP. There is NO transference from JAA type to FAA type.Period.I have FAA/JAA Atps/PIC Typed on both. I checked with FSDO and FlightSafety,(USA),Regs dept last year. Don't talk yourself into a trap,and do read the endless small print in Insurance Covers.Your legal obligation to conform to the terms of your licence is to The FAA ONLY.
Not only FAA inspecters that could ramp check you,but so can JAA ones too.They are out to nail Part 91,sooner or later,so any excuse!!
My advice: get a cpl/atp and type rating (FAA). Lear is not a toy.It is a rocket,not a cessna 172 with a couple of Fans!! Good Luck.
1) Rules changed some 2 or 3 years back.Ref pressure from ICAO,now all Part 91 aircraft ref Lear/complex/2 crew types must have a full PIC or SIC Type rating on PPL;CPL or ATP. There is NO transference from JAA type to FAA type.Period.I have FAA/JAA Atps/PIC Typed on both. I checked with FSDO and FlightSafety,(USA),Regs dept last year. Don't talk yourself into a trap,and do read the endless small print in Insurance Covers.Your legal obligation to conform to the terms of your licence is to The FAA ONLY.
Not only FAA inspecters that could ramp check you,but so can JAA ones too.They are out to nail Part 91,sooner or later,so any excuse!!
My advice: get a cpl/atp and type rating (FAA). Lear is not a toy.It is a rocket,not a cessna 172 with a couple of Fans!! Good Luck.
What is the worse they can do to me?
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This thread is a sad commentary on the current integrity of aviation these days..
The airlines could figure out a way to get this guy into a seat...a bs checkride with a CPL sign off, ect...but not in corporate. He won't get insured in a jet, and should he find a Lloyds of London outfit that wants to roll the dice, the premium cost will be so much that he will have a captain sitting next to him. And even if his paternal granpa the owner of the jet wants to get him into this plane and pay the price...when he goes to school, he won't pass, doesn't have the skills and experience to pass a type at someplace like Flightsafety or Simuflite...the only way around this, is he goes to that BS type rating factory in Los Angeles.....but even they might wince at passing him through....I don't see it happening...
The airlines could figure out a way to get this guy into a seat...a bs checkride with a CPL sign off, ect...but not in corporate. He won't get insured in a jet, and should he find a Lloyds of London outfit that wants to roll the dice, the premium cost will be so much that he will have a captain sitting next to him. And even if his paternal granpa the owner of the jet wants to get him into this plane and pay the price...when he goes to school, he won't pass, doesn't have the skills and experience to pass a type at someplace like Flightsafety or Simuflite...the only way around this, is he goes to that BS type rating factory in Los Angeles.....but even they might wince at passing him through....I don't see it happening...
