US crews need schengen visas?
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US crews need schengen visas?
Is it true there has been a change in the law within Schengen member states, requiring all US crews with US passports to have crew or some sort of visia now?
Not before time of course, if this is true, as it will level up the playing field.
Not before time of course, if this is true, as it will level up the playing field.
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Firstly, I deeply resent the 1 fully wasted day I had to spend waiting in line at the US embassy to get my C1/D and B1B2 Visa. Utter waste of my time. I also resent the several hundred dollars this unnecessary procedure is costing my company, and ultimately my customer.
Secondly, I see strictly NO reason to subject our US colleagues to the same bull****, as one way or the other there is strictly NO security gain to be had from this whole rigmarole (sp?).
However, in these silly times, RECIPROCITY seems to be the only method to insure that we European operators are not put at an unfair disadvantage: If I have to spend several thousand dollars a year equipping my crews with visas, so should the US operators.. If I have to order and buy a silly customs decal to cross the pond, so should the US planes to come over here. If I have to apply 48 hours in advance for a US flight, and waste precious SATCOM minutes on phoning US customs 3 hours before landing, then the same should go the other way... Same deal for making the pax disembark and go through fingerprinting. Same for cabotage inside Schengen airspace...
We all know it's a bunch of silly and useless procedures that make our job a pain in the butt. But there is really no choice than to do unto them as they would unto us...
Secondly, I see strictly NO reason to subject our US colleagues to the same bull****, as one way or the other there is strictly NO security gain to be had from this whole rigmarole (sp?).
However, in these silly times, RECIPROCITY seems to be the only method to insure that we European operators are not put at an unfair disadvantage: If I have to spend several thousand dollars a year equipping my crews with visas, so should the US operators.. If I have to order and buy a silly customs decal to cross the pond, so should the US planes to come over here. If I have to apply 48 hours in advance for a US flight, and waste precious SATCOM minutes on phoning US customs 3 hours before landing, then the same should go the other way... Same deal for making the pax disembark and go through fingerprinting. Same for cabotage inside Schengen airspace...
We all know it's a bunch of silly and useless procedures that make our job a pain in the butt. But there is really no choice than to do unto them as they would unto us...
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I could not put it any better. I have been campaigning for years for equality. The number of N registered aircraft operating in Europe should be curtailed. Can you imagine what the FAA would say if Teterborough was littered with G, F or D reg aircraft operating between there and LAX. They simply would not allow it.
I mentioned it before, I received a $5,000 fine for not informing Teterborough customs I was running 1 hour late. I had informed the handling agent but apparantly it is not their job to liaise with customs!! Nice people the yanks(sic). We really should put pressure on our European Trade associations to level the playing field. Any volunteers to take charge of this issue?
I could not put it any better. I have been campaigning for years for equality. The number of N registered aircraft operating in Europe should be curtailed. Can you imagine what the FAA would say if Teterborough was littered with G, F or D reg aircraft operating between there and LAX. They simply would not allow it.
I mentioned it before, I received a $5,000 fine for not informing Teterborough customs I was running 1 hour late. I had informed the handling agent but apparantly it is not their job to liaise with customs!! Nice people the yanks(sic). We really should put pressure on our European Trade associations to level the playing field. Any volunteers to take charge of this issue?
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The number of N registered aircraft operating in Europe should be curtailed. Can you imagine what the FAA would say if Teterborough was littered with G, F or D reg aircraft operating between there and LAX. They simply would not allow it
Just yesterday, flying into KSDL, I noticed on the ramp, nicely parked, all in a row...
Two UK and one German...registered bizjets, and according to the FBO, they had been flying in/out of SDL for the last two weeks, mostly to Texas and Florida.
So, it looks to me that it really is allowed, FAA or no FAA.
Get a grip, guys.
You need a US visa because....we are bigger, and you ain't.
Simply the facts.
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I imagine the only reason one would want to visit such a large country that entails so much ghastly red tape , form filling, customs, TSA etc is the almighty lack in strength of the $ ??
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Yes, size does matter, especially if we're talking about 411A's mouth... this is why the Schengen countries need to get their act together and negotiate with the US a an entity... then we might even get some of the red tape to disappear..
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I think really the Europeans need to grow some b*lls and make a stand on the crew visa issue. Seems like the French have the right idea, dare I say it. If the US want to screw the rest of the world around with visas for this and visas for that, then give them some of their own medicine.
One difference between the US and Europe, is the US are UNITED. I would have thought the JAA countries could get together and decide on a common policy on this one.
One difference between the US and Europe, is the US are UNITED. I would have thought the JAA countries could get together and decide on a common policy on this one.
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"I think really the Europeans need to grow some b*lls and make a stand on the crew visa issue. Seems like the French have the right idea, dare I say it. If the US want to screw the rest of the world around with visas for this and visas for that, then give them some of their own medicine.
One difference between the US and Europe, is the US are UNITED. I would have thought the JAA countries could get together and decide on a common policy on this one."
Won´t happen, the UK feels way more connected to the colonies than with the Europe. So at least they will stay out...as they do Schengenwise...
Furthermore Our politicians give a rats ass about us, their citizens. And 411A is not soo far off, whenever the US gruntle, our political class stand to attention.
One difference between the US and Europe, is the US are UNITED. I would have thought the JAA countries could get together and decide on a common policy on this one."
Won´t happen, the UK feels way more connected to the colonies than with the Europe. So at least they will stay out...as they do Schengenwise...
Furthermore Our politicians give a rats ass about us, their citizens. And 411A is not soo far off, whenever the US gruntle, our political class stand to attention.
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As in most walks of life there is always one idiot who taints his fellow countrymen by his own idiocy be they American, British, French, German, Malawian........take your pick.
Sadly 411A has taken it upon himself to become the Arse Of America. Way to go 411A, you're pitied on both sides of the pond.
Sadly 411A has taken it upon himself to become the Arse Of America. Way to go 411A, you're pitied on both sides of the pond.
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Well, lets see, Flintstone.
Eurotrash fly their bizjet airplanes to America, and the crews need a visa.
Big F Deal.
When they get here, they avail themselves of the much lower cost of exec aviation charges, versus their home country.
Lower landing fees (sometimes none, depending on the airport.
Lower handling fees.
Lower parking fees.
Lower fuel costs.
NO charge for filing a flight plan nor obtaining a weather briefing.
With me, so far, Flintstone?
Last, but not least, as the US Dollar is low at the moment, they save as well...and...if these Eurotrash operators know what they are doing, can avoid overflight/nav charges, as well.
Them's the facts.
Eurotrash operators are only just slightly jealous of the lower cost of exec aviation, this side of the pond.
Oh gosh, why am I not surprised?
Quite frankly...I think we should charge 'em more...much more....by a factor of two, perhaps.
Eurotrash fly their bizjet airplanes to America, and the crews need a visa.
Big F Deal.
When they get here, they avail themselves of the much lower cost of exec aviation charges, versus their home country.
Lower landing fees (sometimes none, depending on the airport.
Lower handling fees.
Lower parking fees.
Lower fuel costs.
NO charge for filing a flight plan nor obtaining a weather briefing.
With me, so far, Flintstone?
Last, but not least, as the US Dollar is low at the moment, they save as well...and...if these Eurotrash operators know what they are doing, can avoid overflight/nav charges, as well.
Them's the facts.
Eurotrash operators are only just slightly jealous of the lower cost of exec aviation, this side of the pond.
Oh gosh, why am I not surprised?
Quite frankly...I think we should charge 'em more...much more....by a factor of two, perhaps.
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And btw fuel tends to be cheaper here on this side of the Atlantic, where multilingual people live.
Less expensive than $1.67/US gallon for jet A...perhaps?
Yes, that is what we pay for our two private airplanes.
Today.
Plus a 10 cents/USG flowage fee.
European bizjet aviation is so far behind the times it isn't funny.
They pay through the nose...and get less.
Most times, much less.
Sadly, they (as a group) have no clout whatsoever with the regulatory authorities...none.
Period.
Quite unlike this western side of the great devide.
Thats pretty rich coming from a person who is, in essence, living in Albania with a neon finish.
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411 should be banned from this forum. Mediator please can you arrange it.
He (she) (it) is the prime example of why most educated Europeans avoid going west of Shannon unless completely unavoidable.
We have stopped any training in the US or even FSI Farnborough because of US attitude. We simply do not like being served by rude people. All our training is done in Dubai with extremely friendly and competent people. Oh and by theway 411 you spell devide with in i
He (she) (it) is the prime example of why most educated Europeans avoid going west of Shannon unless completely unavoidable.
We have stopped any training in the US or even FSI Farnborough because of US attitude. We simply do not like being served by rude people. All our training is done in Dubai with extremely friendly and competent people. Oh and by theway 411 you spell devide with in i