Smoking on the flight deck
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Scotland
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
In a UK registered aircraft operating public transport you should not be able to smoke at all on board as it is a public place and smoking is banned in public places, certainly wont let anyone smoke on our ships.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: 3rd ROCK FROM THE SUN
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am a smoker, but wouldn’t dream of lighting up in the cockpit, especially if my Co-pilot is a non-smoker! Its just common courtesy! Besides, it’s a few hours of bliss for my lungs!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UAE
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Most in my experience go to the galley, mind you alot of guys stick to the rule if the client smokes then they smoke otherwise no, I have however found Sandpit clients to cloud the plane to the point where you want to stick a gas mask on for the duration of the flight ( very retro )...they are heavy smokers there including Pot! the attitude out there is they can do what they want they payed for the trip so therefore it is there gig.... on the fence about that!!! 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Essex
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi - just to reiterate that aircraft are exempt from the smoking ban therefore it is permitted to smoke on an aircraft.
Clearly this is not the case if the owner of the aircraft forbids it.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20070765_en_2
The above link takes you to part of the Smoke Free Regulations policy. Point 11 is concerned with the enclosed vehicles that the ban applies to with point (6) listing the exemptions to this rule, aircraft.
Hope this helps...!
Clearly this is not the case if the owner of the aircraft forbids it.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20070765_en_2
The above link takes you to part of the Smoke Free Regulations policy. Point 11 is concerned with the enclosed vehicles that the ban applies to with point (6) listing the exemptions to this rule, aircraft.
Hope this helps...!
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester UK
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There are other rules about providing satisfactory working conditions and it would seem yours are not. The following is a quote from a health and safety website I just found called personneltoday.com.
Although I accept a bit of give and take is necessary as a non smoker I would not put up with smoking in a such a confined area as a flight deck.
In 1997, a former law firm employee claimied her employer had forced her to work in a smoky environment. The tribunal upheld her claim, and an appeal by her employer was unsuccessful. The tribunal concluded that it was an implied term of every contract of employment that the employer will provide and maintain a working environment that is reasonably tolerable to all staff. This applies to the quality of air an employee breathes while they are at work.
This is English law and as such would possibly not apply to a foreign registered aircaft but it may be a place to start.
Regards
Xraf
Although I accept a bit of give and take is necessary as a non smoker I would not put up with smoking in a such a confined area as a flight deck.
In 1997, a former law firm employee claimied her employer had forced her to work in a smoky environment. The tribunal upheld her claim, and an appeal by her employer was unsuccessful. The tribunal concluded that it was an implied term of every contract of employment that the employer will provide and maintain a working environment that is reasonably tolerable to all staff. This applies to the quality of air an employee breathes while they are at work.
This is English law and as such would possibly not apply to a foreign registered aircaft but it may be a place to start.
Regards
Xraf
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Essex
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I completely agree that smoking on the flight deck is unacceptable.
Can I just point out that my posts regarding the legal standpoint of smoking on an aircraft are as much for the benefit of passengers as crew.
Can I just point out that my posts regarding the legal standpoint of smoking on an aircraft are as much for the benefit of passengers as crew.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Flight Ops Dept
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How can you call an airplane a public place when it is parked on a secured and limited access ramp.
Legislation can contridict its self but HASAWA will take precedent over the Smoke free regulations as its an Act as opposed to a regulation.
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In the boot of my car!
Posts: 5,982
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
>Pace,
The most dangerous thing you could do is put your oxygen on when your colleague is smoking! I assume you were joking when you said that.<
Tempilot.
No it was not my colleague smoking in the cockpit but the aircraft owner in the back.
My female co-pilot resented it so much she put the oxgen mask on to make a point to the owner but sadly was never used again.
If an owner wants to smoke in his /her own private aircraft it is hard to stop them.
But NO the owner was not up in the cockpit near the oxygen
Pace
The most dangerous thing you could do is put your oxygen on when your colleague is smoking! I assume you were joking when you said that.<
Tempilot.
No it was not my colleague smoking in the cockpit but the aircraft owner in the back.
My female co-pilot resented it so much she put the oxgen mask on to make a point to the owner but sadly was never used again.
If an owner wants to smoke in his /her own private aircraft it is hard to stop them.
But NO the owner was not up in the cockpit near the oxygen
Pace
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Spain/France
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nicotine evidence
Our aircraft came out of maintenance the other day and the filters from the mixing plenum were black. The rags from wiping the inside of the out-flow valve contained brown tar/nicotine.
It was disgusting. The Chief Pilot wanted evidence and he's got it. But he's the main culprit. Had another flight with him yestarday and had to put up with it again.
I'm considering whether it's worth staying in this job to breath in others' smoke.
Trouble is, in Spain, attitudes to smoking are different than in the UK.
It was disgusting. The Chief Pilot wanted evidence and he's got it. But he's the main culprit. Had another flight with him yestarday and had to put up with it again.
I'm considering whether it's worth staying in this job to breath in others' smoke.
Trouble is, in Spain, attitudes to smoking are different than in the UK.
